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Charlie Manuel Out as Manager of the Phillies

Aug 16, 2013, 2:01 PM EDT

It’s a sad day in Philadelphia. And the true end of one of the most magical eras in Philly sports history.

Charlie Manuel is out as Manager of the Philadelphia Phillies.

It’s hard to blame Charlie for this team’s struggles. There’s not a lot a manager can do to get a mediocre ball club to perform above its capabilities. I don’t know how you use Manuel as a scapegoat for this team.

On a personal note, covering sports can often be a drag, but getting the opportunity to sit next to Charlie Manuel in the Phillies dugout before games and listen to him talk baseball for 10-15 minutes at a time was one of the most fulfilling aspects of running this website. The guy lives and breathes baseball.

Hearing him exclaim “This is for Philadelphia!” after winning the 2008 World Series is one of our fondest memories.

Charlie will be missed.

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The Charlie news has been reported by multiple outlets. Jim Salisbury had it first. Watch the press conference live here at 2:30 pm.

  1. thanks - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    I’m sure RAJ will spin this as Chuck “resigning” because RAJ is classless.

    Is giving Ryno 40 games managing a team that quit a long time ago really going to make a difference? WWhy not let Charlie finish out the year.

    This is a joke.

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    • kirk - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:21 PM

      You said it. Classless was the first word that came to mind. I was ready for a change next season, but charlie deserved better. 5 straight division titles. First championship in 28 years. Come on rube.

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  2. JoetheSecond - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    Fuck this move. Seriously. At least give him the proper respect he deserves. For christs sake, he was the winning-est manager in Phillies history and quite possibly the best in the last thirty years. Classless, RAJ at his finest. He should be going too.

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  3. Chamomiles Davis - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    God damn it. That is all.

    /Thank You Charlie

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  4. BenE. - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Charlie isn’t going anywhere. He’s being moved to right field.

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  5. phillyfan - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    What a freaking joke. Amaro should have fired himself for any dozen of the myriad of nonsensical decisions he’s made over the past 2-3 years. Hell, he should be fired for letting Nate Schierholtz go in favor of Delmon Young alone. This does absolutely nothing but pass the buck and shift the blame while throwing the best manager in franchise history under the bus for a handful of meaningless late-August and September games.

    Go F yourself, Ruben.

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  6. chucksdentures - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    Not my favorite move, but anyone think they would have liked to do this earlier in the year but just wanted Chuck to get 1000 wins?

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    • phillyfan - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:26 PM

      This is as gutless a sacrifice as a member of a front office could make. There’s no benefit to it whatsoever. No manager – I don’t care who it is – would’ve been able to do anything with this roster over the past two seasons. No bullpen, no bench, and no power. Ruben apparently forgot the outfield even existed.

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    • Hiccup - Aug 16, 2013 at 8:56 PM

      Yeah, Rubes probably thought he was doing Charlie a fist pump for letting him win a thousand then firing him.
      I cannot fathom what is going through Rubes brainless skull as he cries crocodile tears for the failure that rests at his feet.

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  7. andwhysee - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    I’d say let him finish the season but it only would have made his record worse. Maybe best to let him go for his own sake. If he’s still interested in managing, he might find a winner somewhere else. This team is heading for a long rebuild period.

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  8. aswift5648 - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    I’m really hoping that this was a decision by Charlie to step down, and not a decision made by Ruben. But, I have my doubts. Regardless, It’ll be tough to not see Charlie chewing that bubble-gum in the dugout.

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  9. Mike - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    We’re heading into another 1984 – 2005 era. This team will not address the real issues which are the front office and entire scouting department. Charlie staying or going makes no difference, he wasn’t the problem or a solution.

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    • Hiccup - Aug 17, 2013 at 1:35 AM

      Your saying Charlie makes no difference in the dugout or locker room; I beg to differ. Hey you might be Rubes posting incognito ! Die you A- hole!

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  10. BAPS - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Bullshit. All of you. Stop making Charlie out to be a damn martyr.

    I’ve long since abandoned the mindless thinking that none of this is Charlies fault. I THANK GOD that we’ll no longer have to see Kyle Kendrick get picked off at second while running Ryan Howard in the late innings of a game because Charlie mis-managed the game.

    Hopefully, Ryne will have a bit more of a baseball mindset than Unk has had over the past few years.

    And for the love of God, while they’re at it, let RUBE GO TOO! Fault needs to be spread from the top down. Firing hitting coaches doesn’t work on a team where your franchise short stop won’t accept a trade because he has team records to break. You need to change the DECISION MAKERS to force the ‘talent’ to play the way they need to to WIN GAMES. Charlie can’t make those kinds of moves.

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    • sfsu - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:47 PM

      Remember — when the team wins, Manuel is “pushing the right buttons.”

      When the team loses, HOW CAN YOU BLAME THE MANAGER????

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    • willh888 - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:59 PM

      Ryan Howard was hurt. Everyone knew it (well not everyone it seems)

      Moving on.. you’re probably fun to sit near at a ball game. Charlie this, Charlie that. Who should pitch when your bullpen stinks? Who should play infield when your infield stinks? Who should play outfield when most of them stink? Why are people so bent on “accountability” when it comes to coaches and GM’s, but it comes to your favorite player and that’s ok, three errors in one game is cool because you snagged a fake authentic jersey. And what makes you think Sandberg will have more of a “Baseball mindset.” What does that even mean? When your team sucks, managers become useless. Look what happened back when they were good.

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      • sfsu - Aug 16, 2013 at 5:58 PM

        “Why are people so bent on “accountability” when it comes to coaches and GM’s,”

        Because players make physical errors, the GM and manager make mental errors. It’s obvious that JC Romero should never face righties, just as obvious as it is that you shouldn’t run on a pop up with less than 2 outs. But which one of those mistakes happened way more often?

  11. Jay D - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    F YOU RUBEN!!!!

    Thank you Charlie

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  12. sfsu - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Just because the GM sucks doesnt mean the manager also doesn’t suck.

    “Classless” would have been firing him at win 999, to all of you base-10 disciples.

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  13. charlie d - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    What a CLASSLESS move by Amaro! The most beloved coach in all of Philly sports history and Amaro doesn’t know how let him retire with dignity. F Amaro! Bobby Cox got a entire season as his retirement season…..CLASSLESS,

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    • sfsu - Aug 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM

      Amaro fired Buddy Ryan too?

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  14. joe432 - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    For anyone saying this was the right move or complaining about people complaining, this isn’t about keeping Charlie around in 2014. We all knew he was gone at the end of the season. This is about timing and showing some respect.

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    • Jay D - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:56 PM

      WOOOOOORRRDDDDDDD

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    • kirk - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:58 PM

      Precisely

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  15. rockstonic - Aug 16, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    What’s the benefit of firing him before the years over instead of just letting him walk away at the end of the season? None.

    Everyone knew Ryne would be in charge next year, so this is just a slap in the face to Charlie while Ruben tries to focus the blame elsewhere.

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  16. Mostel - Aug 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    Nobody here is trying to sugar coat Manuel’s overall baseball “acumen”, but Ruben did Charlie Dirty.

    - Charlie deserved to be honored by the fans and vice versa at our final home game.
    - Charlie wasn’t responsible for not having a decent leadoff hitter, bullpen, and bench…..EVER

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  17. Chuck - Aug 16, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    What a lot of people are overlooking is that nothing is being given to Sandberg either. He’s got forty games to finish this year out with as an “interim” manager. Amaro won’t say he was handing the reigns over to him either.

    While it would’ve been nice for a farewell tour for Manuel, the timing of this was the front office wants to see what Sandberg brings to the table and if he’s the guy they’re sticking to at season’s end. If not, they go and see who’s available in the off-season without taking a hit in 2014.

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    • phillyfan - Aug 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM

      Which is ridiculous, of course, because it’s impossible to evaluate any manager with this roster. What does Ruben expect, that they’re all of a sudden going to go on some kind of winning streak?

      There’s no point to this.

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      • ChuckD - Aug 16, 2013 at 4:00 PM

        I don’t think anyone’s under the guise that this team will go on a winning streak, but forty days is still a good chunk of time to evaluate how you run your team. Things that will be taken note will probably include player response and what message the manager is trying to preach to these guys on a nightly basis, what Sandberg’s biggest focus will be on and improving, maybe what strategies he employs in close situational games.

        Manuel has a lot of respect for Sandberg, but Sandberg’s known for being a guy who expects his players to be accountable on the field. I’m curious to see how he’s going to handle the continuing errors that these guys commit on a routine basis.

        If the team gets hot and starts playing a spoiler to other playoff teams, that can only help Sandberg’s cause.

      • Mickey - Aug 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM

        @Chuck – Jayson Stark kinda summed up what you said over on ESPN this afternoon.

        http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9574381/charlie-manuel-ryne-sandberg-new-manager-philadelphia-phillies

    • Hiccup - Aug 17, 2013 at 1:42 AM

      What does it matter how Sanberg does with the make up of this team, are we assuming it s the same team next year. God I hope not .

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  18. sfsu - Aug 16, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Bobby Cox got a farewell tour, because not only was he infinitely better than Manuel, but he, you know, announced before the year that he was retiring. You can’t have a farewell tour if you don’t say farewell, and Manuel spent the season threatening to return in 2014 by saying he wasn’t done, could keep going, etc.

    Perhaps Amaro asked Manuel to actually announce he was retiring, Manuel refused, and Amaro decided it wasn’t worth risking losing Sandberg over a petulant outgoing manager.

    Trust me, I recognize Amaro’s weaknesses just as much as anyone, but it seems like no one catches Manuel’s. The right move was to fire him after 2005 or 2006 when Manuel blew the wild-card races, or to fire him after 2012. And don’t say they wouldnt have won in 2007 or 2008 without him, because not only did he make terrible decisions in each of those years that cost his team games along the way, but those teams were largely run by Lopes and Jimy Williams.

    And any 8th grader with the latest copy of MLB2K could’ve managed the 2009-2011 teams into the playoffs.

    I for one, won’t miss the manager who always blamed his players instead of himself, regardless of how badly he screwed up during the game.

    It’s possible that Sandberg is just as bad as Manuel, but it’s highly unlikely he’ll be worse.

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  19. MikeH - Aug 17, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    I’ll be the first to admit, I’m sad to see Charlie go, but it honestly seems like the best decision for the team. We will all love Charlie for what he did and what he brought us, but there was no way he was going to be here next year. That being said, he was given a chance to stick with the team, and before the allstart break, had a slim shot of making the playoffs. When that evaporated with the awful showing post all start break, it was time for a change. And with Ryne Sandberg in the wings, why is it a wrong choice to give him a shot with almost 25% of the season left?
    It gives a chance to see if he is a viable manager at the major league level…and if he is, great. He has a head start on next year. If not? Well, you haven’t wasted time next year and you have the whole offseason to find your coach.
    Would a farewell tour would have been nice for Cholly? Sure. But who would have called it a farewell tour until the bitter end? How many bandwagon fans even knew his contract was up at the end of this season? I’ll always buy him a drink, and always think of him with a smile, but coldly, rationally, I think this might be the right decision.

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