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Video: Roy Halladay Mentions Commitment Issues from Phillies Players During Charlie Manuel’s Final Time

Aug 21, 2013, 12:58 PM EDT

Perhaps he chose to speak a little more freely since he wasn’t with the rest of the club or in the direct proximity of Charlie Manuel, but Roy Halladay said some of the more interesting things by anyone on his the former skipper’s final Phillies team. It took place after Roy’s rehab start last night up in Lakewood. You can read more on that mediocre outing here.

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Charlie and Doc in better times

Halladay starts of saying he’s exchanged texsts with Charlie and loved him but also that Ryne came right in and addressed some issues that were being overlooked.

“I think that Ryne is going to do a good job and bring back a little more of the Philly baseball style than we’ve had the last few years,” Halladay said.

“We haven’t really had that whole team effort and whole team hustle that we’ve had the last few years.”

He then goes on to mention guys not showing up on time, guys not taking extra batting practice or extra grounders, etc.

It’s the first I’ve heard of any of this and certainly adds a different angle to Charlie’s departure and its timing.

In a clubhouse with guys like Chase Utley and Roy Halladay, I find it a bit surprising to hear about guys not putting in maximum effort to be on time, prepared, and to take every measure they can to be in a position to win. I’d love to hear more specifics about these issues Doc mentioned above.

  1. Kent - Aug 21, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    Maybe we saw Charlie as a flawless creature–and didn’t see his blemishes.

    Could Charlie actually contributed to the problems this season? Say it ain’t so.

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    • willh888 - Aug 22, 2013 at 1:02 PM

      Yeah, no one ever pointed out his faults.

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  2. BenE. - Aug 21, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    So basically, a team full of well-paid has-beens is just going through the motions on the field and this is surprising.

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  3. JD - Aug 21, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    I think this team was getting by on past accomplishments (and still is today). Guys like Howard, Utley, Rollins, Ruiz… they’ve brought a championship to the city, made a decent run of it in ’09 and somewhat in ’10. Charlie’s a players coach and he’s going to let the players police themselves.

    The problem with this team is there are way too many veterans without the drive and bums that can’t get the job done. Rollins and Howard already won their big contracts and MVP awards. Utley just signed a nice big one as did Hamels. The fire isn’t there on a day-to-day basis.

    The stop-gap players that have been picked up over the last couple of years aren’t difference makers. Revolving doors of mediocre to sub-par talent.

    There was something to having a young, hungry, inexperienced team that didn’t know how to quit. The 2007-08 Phillies took their lumps one night and would beat you with the bat the next day. Then have a fantastic pitching game with the door being slammed by players with a chip on their shoulder.

    To me, Manuel’s fault was not keeping that fire constantly burning. Whether it be benching players when they underperformed or sticking with guys well past their expiration date (i.e., bullpen).

    Hopefully Sandberg brings back that heat and makes these guys want to play day-in and day-out for this team. They need to play pissed off. They need to play the role of the underdog. That’s where past Philly teams have succeed.

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    • BenE. - Aug 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

      I agree about needing that fire back, but it isn’t gonna happen with this group, unfortunately. That ship sailed a long time ago. I look at teams like the Orioles, Athletics, and Pirates and teams who have a great formula for winning. Even the Cleveland Indians this year. A couple go-to players like Chris Davis or Andrew McCutchen, backed up by a mix of young, hungry players and a couple vets for support.

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      • galasso2586 - Aug 21, 2013 at 3:14 PM

        The Orioles got lucky with Chris Davis. He was a guy that Texas gave up on and finally lived up to his potential this year. I still think Chris Davis compares most to Ryan Howard. I think this year is his equivalent to Howard’s MVP season. Projecting futher, if he stays healthy he’ll hit around .260-.270, 30-40 HRs, and over 100 RBIs. The go to player in Baltimore will be Manny Machado.

      • JD - Aug 21, 2013 at 3:19 PM

        I agree BenE. It’s be one thing if this team was short an outfielder and a guy in the bullpen, but this team is a mess. I like the idea of seeing what the kids are made of, but that’s what a team does when their window to the post-season is already closed.

        It’s not a popular opinion in the least, but at a certain point you have to bite down hard and let guys, popular guys, walk. It’s an age of free agency, and you take your chances on international, young (and affordable) talent, not by signing a .200 hitter and a guy who hit his prime ten years ago.

        Now the Phillies are staring at holes all over the outfield, wondering if the in-field will play a half-season together healthy and a bullpen that’s an absolute embarassment. I don’t see even the best GM coming in here and cleaning this mess up within a two-three year timeframe, let alone what Amaro will do with it.

      • galasso2586 - Aug 21, 2013 at 3:34 PM

        I highly disagree that this is an age of Free Agency JD. Looking back the past 5 years at the World Series winners 08: Phillies (mostly home grown talent and complimentary pieces), 09: Yankees (Free Agency pick ups of Burnett, Sabathia, and Texiera put them over the hump), 10: Giants (All home grown talent), 11: St. Louis (Home Grown talent with some complimentary pieces), 12: Giants (Home grown talent with complimentary pieces and a big trade at the deadline). You win through your farm system, not by taking a flyer on some unproven international player.

  4. Hiccup - Aug 21, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Roy’s just trying to show some early support for the new manager. No hard feelings Charlie.

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  5. Hiccup - Aug 22, 2013 at 4:46 AM

    Not to mention that Roy has spent so little time with the club this year since being on the disabled list from mid-May till most recently, how does he know the comings and goings of the team; does he have a spy or is he doing that in shop gossip thing? My guess is he’s trying to show some team support for the new skipper and it backfired.
    I still say Roy hasn’t been the same since that game where he pitched (what was it?) over 130 throws going for that second complete game, no hitter.

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  6. Tom - Aug 22, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    It boils down to one player, Rollins.

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    • Enrico Campitelli Jr. - Aug 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM

      I think that is entirely naive.

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