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Ron Jaworski Ranks 24 NFL Quarterbacks Ahead of Michael Vick

Jul 3, 2013, 1:36 PM EDT

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Michael Vick’s star hasn’t merely fallen – it’s plummeted. Just a few years removed from being voted the NFL’s Comeback Player of the Year, Vick took a pay cut over the winter and now is embroiled in a quarterback competition.

Perception around the league has changed along with Vick’s status. ESPN analyst and former Eagles quarterback Ron Jaworski apparently wouldn’t take the 2010 Pro Bowler over three-quarters of the NFL’s passers if his “QB Countdown” is to be believed.

Via Dan Graziano of ESPN’s NFC East Blog, Jaws placed Vick number 25 on the countdown, down from 12th only a season ago. The key reason for the huge drop can probably be found in this transcribed graph:

Vick can get to the edge and outflank the defense, he can beat you from the pocket with an explosive vertical arm that can lift the top off the coverage, and he presents multiple options in the red zone with his movement. The concern of course, is turnovers. Vick had far too many in 2012. Fifteen of them in 10 games; four of those 15 came in the red zone.

Graziano notes that because Jaworski says Vick is still the best QB on Philly’s roster, neither Nick Foles or Matt Barkley is ahead of him. The full rankings aren’t out yet (it’s a countdown), but just count off from a list of NFL teams and you’ll get a sense for what kind of signal callers 25th gets someone lumped in with.

It probably isn’t entirely unreasonable. At this point Vick is what he is, which is an immensely gifted athlete whose flaws – turnovers, timing, health, efficiency – have always outweighed his amazing abilities.

I’d take 20 or so quarterbacks over him without question. That includes a guy whose name rhymes with Click Moles as long as upside is part of the equation.

>> Vick drops to 25 on Jaws’ QB countdown [ESPN]

  1. hitnrun - Jul 3, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    Yeah, even insofar as Jaws’ opinion (which is, factually speaking, worthless) goes, I don’t take this as endorsement of Vick over Foles or Barkley.

    It’s an power ranking written for ESPN. “Upside” isn’t going to get much consideration unless the QB is a touted name that’s gotten a lot of ink. You can expect Geno Smith and E. J. Whatsname to sneak into the list, and maybe Nassib because he was picked by a New York team.

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    • Trotter54 - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:58 PM

      You could possibly be correct, except that this is a ranking of starting QBs. If those guys are considered the starter for their respective teams they would be on the list. But, Smith won’t be on the list, Sanchez is already there, Nassib won’t, because obviously Eli will be, and Kolb is already on the list, so no Manual either. If he was listing the top QBs in the league, regardless of starter or back up) he would have went deeper than 32.

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  2. Hiccup - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    I agree with Ron, if a QB turns the ball over all previous progress in a possession means nothing. If a QB turns the ball over multiple times he’s giving the opposing teams a better chance of winning and is a liability to his own team regardless of said QB other abilities.

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    • Charlie D - Jul 3, 2013 at 3:00 PM

      Duh. You’re almost as brilliant as ding-dong Jaworski.

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  3. Mostel - Jul 3, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    He’ll be 33rd once he’s cut and not a starter.

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  4. Von9 - Jul 4, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    He played some brilliant games and looked like he turned a corner. Then last year happened, just uninspired football and overall sloppy but somehow still overconfident play. Turnovers make or break a season… a quarterback who won’t/can’t protect the football is not long for this league.

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  5. justanotherdummy - Jul 4, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    I do not actually care in the least who is the qb for the Eagles this season. As long as they win games, the name on the back of the jersey means squat, I am not personally invested in any of these guys as individuals. That being said, I have no confidence in Vick to make smart decisions. I do not see him as a part of the Eagles future. He is just one more link to a disappointing past, and I will not be upset if he does not play. I see him as Allen Iverson, a tremendously gifted athlete, plenty of heart, but not the kind of guy who will ever be a champion.

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  6. Paul - Jul 4, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    Jaws is an angry idiot Vick is top 15 in this league injuries are his biggest problems he can’t block catch and throw at the same time. Plus offensive balance will help now pass happy Reid is gone. Romo is the top turnover qb in the last 4 years but he gets a praise and a raise. Smh

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  7. neizee lockjaw - Jul 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    I’m sick and tired of all these people acting like Vick had a line in front of him and he just turned over the ball crazy in 2012. You have enough video footage of the games to see (if your going to be honest) that he pick himself up off the ground just as much completions. Put any of these so-called elite quarter backs in front of that line he had and play calling Andy and crew was doing and tell me they would have succeeded. Play action and running for your life. Sprints to the outside and the running back can’t get there. Brown did his thing but he was and should of been used more north and south. But since the line couldn’t hold there block your going to hope for the defense to overplay and get to the outside. Vick’s play calling and foles play calling were two different styles. Why not let Vick run more1,2,3 step drops instead of 5, 6, and 7. Oh because Vick will be alright….he’ll shake someone and make something happen…..he didn’t…….he couldn’t…..

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    • rjbac - Jul 5, 2013 at 12:34 PM

      to neizee,

      Finally an honest, correct response from someone other than a vick hater. Vick had little time to throw this past season and reid kept calling slow developing middle to long passes THAT TAKE TIME TO DEVELOP. Mike got killed in every game but still hung in there like the true warrior he is.
      If the O line is very good and vick has protection, he will be unbelievably good this year. He will also run for 900+ yards and complete 65 percent of his passes. The chip kelly offense fits Michael like a glove and you will see it when the pads come out in training camp. It is amazing how biased almost all the sports writers/ radio persons are against vick. Over at Philly .com they have an honest writeup on jaws’s comments about vick being his 25th pick. Here they just pick and choose the bad words they like instead of telling what jaws really said. Hard to trust these terribly negative biased writers here. Remember the idiot writer who kept going on and on about vick losing a step or two or three… Haven’t heard that from anyone since MV7 smoked mccoy have ya? About your Vick shaking someone comment…There are basically no QB’S who can shake off defensive players who are not blocked or atleast chipped…Except Vick… But even vick cannot escape 2or 3 untouched db’s flying at him…Later…

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      • neizee lockjaw - Jul 5, 2013 at 1:12 PM

        My thoughts exactly homie. I feel that
        all because he’s elusive doesn’t mean you should leave him in there with plays that aren’t working because “if he gets that ball off, it was a touchdown”…then after the game keep talking about my fault…i have to do better. One of my biggest problem with Andy and what I’m hoping to be one of chips strengths is the in-game adjustments. That’s what separates the mediocre coaches from the superbowl contenders…

      • Andrew Kulp - Jul 5, 2013 at 1:20 PM

        Keep seeing everybody buck Vick blamed for 2012. How would you guys explain why he was so awful in 2011, when the offensive line was one of the better units in the league, or what happened to him in the second half of 2010?

      • neizee lockjaw - Jul 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM

        I didn’t know Vick should be held responsible for bringing an offensive line coach over to the opposite side of the ball and run our defense. Employ a wide nine technique and let a quarterback go for a first down straight up the middle (big Ben) and get slashed for big chunks of yards and make offenses and running backs have a great stat booster against us…in 2011 Vick was big the problem?

      • Andrew Kulp - Jul 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM

        Nobody is saying Vick was responsible for everything that’s gone wrong with the Eagles. But yes, Vick’s turnovers were a big reason why the Eagles weren’t very good in 2011. In fact, Vick’s turnovers had a lot to do with the Eagles’ defense blowing most of those leads in 2011.

      • Steve - Jul 5, 2013 at 5:00 PM

        Vick was injured as usual and I got a good laugh reading your post.There is no way Vick would even come close to running for 900 +yards,pipe dream.Pass for 65%,totally ridiculous.Things were worse for Foles and as a rookie, coming into a horrible situation,he faired pretty well.Mikey is old,accident prone,can’t read defenses,turn over machine and gets to many passes batted down at the line of scrimmage.He also takes to many stupid,unnecessary hits because he doesn’t know how to slide.Who cares if he beat McCoy in a 40 yard dash(He Cheated),it means nothing.His days are numbered.

      • Russ - Jul 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

        Disagree…the majority of Vick’s turnovers were due to IDIOTIC playcalling-receivers on 20yrd routes when O-line cant hold blocks, not running the rock enough to garner the opposing teams’ D-line attention, no real receivers who can work underneath the safeties-receivers are too little, defense was pure trash so offense was forced to throw it way more often, etc…I can go on & on…Reid was the problem, not Vick…

    • ant - Jul 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM

      I agree with you. no qb in the league could play behind philly’s sucky o-line. reid had vick looking deep when the o-line couldn’t block anybody. the play calling for foles was definitely different than for vick. foles was allowed to throw short passes and let the play makers make plays. vick was made to sit in the pocket looking deep and getting killed !!! eagles offense was very predictable. for those who seriously think vick wont win this job, you don’t know football. there is no competition, trust me. foles wont be in the league in 2-3yrs. barkley will be a career backup at best. the only reason barkely was taken by philly was cause the chiefs were gonna grab him. it was a stick it to andy moment (very immature move by the eagles). get used to seeing vick for another 2-3 years in philly (sorry haters !).

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  8. Bonsai136 - Jul 6, 2013 at 1:49 AM

    Have to agree Vicks best days are behind him!

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  9. ant - Jul 10, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    no qb in the league could play behind philly’s sucky o-line. reid had vick looking deep when the o-line couldn’t block anybody. I saw d-linemen tackling vick before he got the ball from the center. the play calling for foles was definitely different than for vick. foles was allowed to throw short passes and let the play makers make plays. vick was made to sit in the pocket looking deep and getting killed !!! eagles offense was very predictable. for those who seriously think vick wont win this job, you don’t know football. there is no competition, trust me. foles wont be in the league in 2-3yrs. barkley will be a career backup at best. the only reason barkely was taken by philly was cause the chiefs were gonna grab him. trust me chip Kelly isn’t really taking either foles or barkley seriously. new flash, they could have let vick walk and didn’t. vick makes more than foles and barkley combined. vick will be the starter people !!! it was a stick it to andy moment to take barkley (very immature move by the eagles). get used to seeing vick for another 2-3 years in philly (sorry haters !). vicks best days are behind him, but with an offensive minded coach and the weapons around him, he doesn’t need to carry the team, just be a part of the team.

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    • Andrew Kulp - Jul 10, 2013 at 4:25 PM

      Heh, this is a new one. Foles was “allowed” to throw short passes? Vick is “allowed” to throw short passes, too, but he would rather hold on to the ball and try to make a big play instead. That’s why even when the Eagles’ offensive line was healthy and good (2011) he often made them look bad. I’m not saying play-calling never had anything to do with it, but once again this is a case of trying to blame everyone but Vick for the obvious flaws that have existed throughout his entire career.

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  10. Jack - Jul 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Jaworski is an idiot

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