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Giroux: Flyers will ‘bring the fans back on our side’ against Penguins

Oct 17, 2013, 4:54 PM EDT


With just two points in the standings, the Flyers are the worst team in the NHL seven games into the 2013-14 season. You can’t blame fans for being dismissive or downright pissed off with the direction of the franchise at the moment.

Meanwhile, Claude Giroux is struggling to meet what are perhaps some unrealistic expectations as both the captain of this sinking ship and the so-called “best player in the world.” The 25-year-old has been held without a goal so far and has just two points total, which undoubtedly has a lot to do with Philadelphia’s 29th-ranked offense.

Obviously Giroux and the other guys in the dressing room can feel the negativity, but he offered a promise of sorts before Thursday’s tilt with the hated Pittsburgh Penguins. Per Sam Carchidi of the Inquirer, the Flyers are out to win you back tonight.

“Tonight’s gonna be a game to bring the fans back on our side and show them that we’re a good team and can win games,” Giroux, who is still looking for his first goal, told reporters after the morning skate.

Carchidi also got Pittsburgh head coach Dan Bylsma’s take on the rivalry and more from this matchup.

It’s good to hear Giroux is still frothing at the mouth to get him some of Sidney Crosby, but backing up that statement might be difficult. The Pens enter tonight in first place in the Metro Division (champions will receive screen-printed skinny jeans instead of traditional hats and T-shirts), and are third in the NHL averaging just shy of four goals per game.

The way they’ve been skating, it’s hard to believe the Flyers would provide much in the way of a problem for Pittsburgh right now. Giroux however drew a comparison of these first seven games to how it felt when they were down 3-0 to the Boston Bruins in the 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs. Via CSN’s Sarah Baicker:

I don’t know. There was definitely a feeling that series might turn around for the Flyers, which it did—they won 4-3 and eventually made their way to the Finals. It’s certainly possible they will rebound this season as well. That said, I don’t know that they’re on the cusp of breaking out of this slump quite yet.

We’ll see. On nights like tonight, it doesn’t matter how awful the Flyers are. There’s enough bad blood in these two dressing rooms that we might see some fireworks on the ice. Who knows, maybe a big rivalry game is exactly what the Orange & Black need to get their swagger back.

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  1. Bob - Oct 17, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    They need to understand the fans are always on their side. They will just hear the negativity when it calls for it.

    How about Giroux worries about his own game, rather then the fans?

  2. Ipswitch - Oct 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    It’s a long season and the Flyers (like the Phillies) are always slow out of the gate. They’ll definitely turn themselves around as the season progresses. They just need to put the puck on net, pick up the legs in their own zone and play sound hockey… no stupid mistakes and dumb penalties.

    • Billy Graham - Oct 17, 2013 at 10:18 PM

      Flyers are the worst team money can buy.
      Berube sucked as a player & is a worse coach…

  3. Matt S. - Oct 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    If a home game against a heated divisional rival can’t raise the intensity level I don’t know what will. This is the type of game the Flyers need to rally around and jump start their season. Here’s hoping they can deliver.

    • Matt S. - Oct 17, 2013 at 8:33 PM

      Guess not.

  4. rockstonic - Oct 17, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    I know you already have “best player in the world” in quotes, but since Laviolette was the only person to ever say that it probably shouldn’t be repeated ever again

  5. Lol - Oct 17, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    Kulp articles are always such downers :(

  6. BenE. - Oct 17, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Where the fuck is the passion from the Flyers? There’s maybe 4 players taking the body. Other than that, no one is hitting, no one is going hard into the corners, Voracek doesn’t crash the net to get rebounds when his linemates shoot, and Talbot-Scooter-Read must be the weakest, softest line in the NHL.

    Another nondescript game from the Flyers.

    • Matt S. - Oct 17, 2013 at 8:50 PM

      Completely lifeless… Penguins are skating circles around them. There’s not much difference structure wise between this team and the team that had 103 points and embarrassed the Penguins in the playoffs a couple years ago I really don’t get it. Just no push back out there credit Mason for keeping this a 1 goal game.

    • MJS - Oct 17, 2013 at 9:07 PM

      C’mon Ben, that Talbot-Scooter-Read line has been the best line for the Flyers this season. They may be one of the best shutdown lines in the NHL (Cooter is known as a top defensive forward in the league, Talbot has always been good defensively, and Reader is very underrated defensively/plays the PK). They aren’t gonna score many goals, but please tell me how they are the “weakest, softest line in the NHL” when they play against the top line on every team every game. Don’t let your dislike for Talbot take away from the actual effectiveness of that line.

      • BenE. - Oct 17, 2013 at 9:35 PM

        After being unnoticeable for 40 minutes, they’ve been the best line this period, I’ll admit that.

        Couturier and Talbot are soft as play doh. Couturier must be the easiest person to take the puck from in the NHL. He is way too timid with it.

      • MJS - Oct 17, 2013 at 9:51 PM

        You forgot to mention that they kept Crosby off the board for 57 minutes (and they weren’t on the ice for his goal). Coots’ offense needs a jump and he definitely won’t get that from Talbot so that’s true. How is Talbot soft though? He’s been in the NHL for as long as he has for his lack of softness. Do you dislike him because he had an outrageous first year with the Flyers offensively and hasn’t lived up to it, or do you dislike him because of that hurtful “shhh” he gave us after Carcillo beat his ass (that one was hard for me to forgive after we signed him)?

        At the end of the day, this team is sucking right now.

    • willh888 - Oct 18, 2013 at 1:41 AM

      should’ve kept that post to one sentence. I saw some of it in late in the 2nd and part of the third.

  7. BenE. - Oct 17, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Where are all the people who liked the Streit signing btw? He is awful.

    Simmonds has shown up every game. It’s great to see him get on the board.

    • mike - Oct 17, 2013 at 10:26 PM

      “Where are all the people who liked the Streit signing btw? ”

      They are probably on the Islanders message board.

  8. Truthsayer - Oct 17, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    The problems with this team are easy to spot, don’t know how or if they can be fixed: 1) their entire lineup is basically playing one line higher than their skill set for the NHL – example, B. Schenn is a 3rd line NHL player playing on 2nd line or sometimes 1st line; L. Schenn is a 6th Dman, but plays as no. 3 or 4. They just have a lack of legitimate NHL talent (which is unreal considering the money they have tied up in these players; 2) they have zero, nada, zilch ability to: maintain puck possession for any appreciable period of time (they are checked off the puck, give it away, dump it); 3) they are one and done offensively – one rush into the zone, maybe a shot, then we’re headed the other way; 4) soft, soft team right now – no hitting, no fight, don’t win board battles, it’s godawful to watch. I;m sure I;m missing some other issues, but this is the basic problem. They are playing at about exactly the level of players they have. Folks, I don’t think they can “turn it up a notch.” This is what they are.

    • Jay D - Oct 18, 2013 at 9:57 AM

      Smartest and most spot on comment yet….
      the one and done is so true…nooooo puck possession…
      I’d add there transition game is a step off too which makes for bad passes ..

      just not a good team…

  9. 2sentz - Oct 17, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    Truthsayer is right on, this team has zero playmakers and tonight’s lack of smart aggressiveness “with backs to the wall in a big game” was depressing. You know how you hit that moment when it becomes obvious the season is likely lost? I’ve never felt that in October, but felt it tonight. Penguins fans everywhere, mouthing off….and there’s nothing you can say in response.

    Whatever they thought they fixed by firing Lavvy, it didn’t solve anything. This is a bunch of individuals skating near each other.

    • Kurt - Oct 18, 2013 at 8:30 AM

      Love how everybody screams for younger and younger talent, sacrificing veterans and what they bring to the table. Guys like Jagr, Briere, Gagne, Fedotenko all brought something to the table.

      This current Flyers offense is like pre-school let out and Mommy/Daddy forgot to the pick up the kids. Everyone is just skating around in la-la land with nobody stepping up to the plate. No leadership, no accountability, no results from a pathetic offensive unit.

      How’s it taste now to you veteran-presence haters?

      • Jay D - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM

        Guess we could use Ed Van Impe on the D line….

        For saying Fedotenko brought something to the table, please go stick your head in the ground for a few hours.

      • Mikey - Oct 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM

        Jay D – For picking one guy off the list and using that as a means to be a dick, you should climb back into your mother’s womb and develop for a few more months.

      • Jay D - Oct 18, 2013 at 12:43 PM


        gagne…as much as i loved him, how would he help this team? Briere’s numbers have dwindled since 2010…

        flyers f’d themselves with horrible signings and contracts.

        Mikey….whats your brilliant solution for this team???
        now excuse me as i enter back into my mother’s womb

      • Mikey - Oct 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

        My solution? I think this organization needs a long, hard look at what it is and where t’s going.

        First fact, Ed Snider isn’t going anywhere. This club is his baby, he’s lived the last 36 years without a Stanley Cup, I can’t imagine he’s losing sleep over the current roster and the lack of results they’re seeing. I don’t think he likes losing, but at the end of the day, it’s his team, it’s a profitable team and as long as they’re contending (which they haven’t in the last two years), then he’ll stay at arms length.

        The first thing Snider should do though is to remove Paul Holmgren. Time to move on, and either hand the reigns over to a guy like Hextall or start knocking on other NHL doors. This team reeks of chaos and knee-jerk reactions. To be honest, I personally liked Holmgren. I think he made a bunch of ballsy moves either in trades or free agency. For the majority of the time he’s given this team a chance to compete, but I’m chalking it up to the players we had didn’t gel or perform as expected under his rule. This team needs a new direction, a new motivator and someone that can find the pieces to get this club back into the playoffs. I don’t even care if it takes another two or three years, just do it the right way with the right guys.

        With a new GM, I would let Berube and his coaches hang around for another year or two. There were some good names floating around earlier this year (i.e., Tortorella, Ruff, Roy) and why they waited until three games into the season to can Laviolette, I’ll never know. I’d like to see how they pan out especially with Laperriere and Paddock stepping up with a good handle on the club’s youth. If things trend downward between Thanksgiving and Christmas, cough up the season, let the GM swing some deals on talent and take it from there next year. The leash only goes as far as mid-season next year and re-evaluate the club properly then.

        The players have be shook up. I don’t know if that’s by trading some of the players away for draft picks or younger AHL talent, but when an entire team is not producing, something drastic needs to be done. Like Giroux a lot, but I’d float his name out there and see what you can pull in the meantime. Same goes for guys like Coutuiere, Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds, etc. These young guys might bring in something decent as they’re young, have shown potential recently and might do better in a different environment. If the team still stinks by February, I’d start trying to move some of the bigger veterans to playoff contenders that need them (i.e., Timonen, Coburn, Hartnell, Emery, etc.). You’re not going to see much return (if at all), but you’re giving them a fair chance at winning the Cup and you’re freeing up roster spots that either upcoming Phantoms players or traded players can compete for.

        That’s how I would handle it. This team definitely has the potential. Unfortunately this is a city, not unlike New York and Boston, that has little to no patience with taking your time and doing the right thing versus quick patch-work efforts and best intentions.

      • Jay D - Oct 18, 2013 at 1:45 PM

        Ive always thought that we always blame the goalies and we have a “goalie situation in Philly”…Maybe it was just awful play in front of our net… I mean Leighton/Boucher got us to the cup finals, but that year our Def was good with Pronger (man do i miss him)….

        obviously we’re all cranky with the crap we’re watching…but its pretty obvious these pieces aren’t fitting right now… Maybe even with just getting a guy like Vinny back on a line with Giroux will spark him…and Hartnell, well we’ll get whatever we get from him…a lot of hartnell downs

        I thought the Rafll shows some promise last night

        ughhhhhh just ughhhhh eagles better make us happy this weekend!

      • Mikey - Oct 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM

        This team is constantly trying to be like everyone else instead of focusing on what works best for them. A few years ago, it was grab all the talent that was out there veteran player-wise and throw down on the lesser teams. Then the past few years, it was youth, youth, youth. Compete with the Crosbys and Ovechkins and offer life-time contracts to these guys. Now it’s leave a spot open here, leave a spot open there and we’ll fill it with either hungry call-ups or the occasional journeyman looking for that last hurrah.

        The goalie situation has always been a mess. You put a B-calibre player back there behind a solid defensive pairing (i.e., Emory’s first stint, Boucher, Nitty, etc.), and things were fine. Even the C-calibre goalies like Leighton could steal you a game here or there. I was stoked when they got Bryz back there, but that’s when the defense fell apart and he was left high ‘n dry. Sure Bryz was to blame for a good chunk of the mess, but you could’ve rolled the off-spring of Patrick Roy and Marty Brodeur out there and he still would’ve looked like Swiss cheese.

        They need to commit to a goalie, which is what they’re starting to do with Mason. He’s young, he’s skilled and he needs to fight through the bad stretches (which are going to come) in order to come out on top. My hope is he’s still the goalie in five years when the team has the ability to turn things around and the Flyers haven’t kicked him to the curb for the newest shiny thing.

        The Flyers (and Phillies for that matter) need to do some honest soul searching and figure out where they want to be and who they can be before fixing these problems. If you want to be a strong, solid contender who’s fighting in the playoffs year after year after year, then maybe you do take a step back, lose a couple of seasons, draft smartly and develop from within. There is no quick fix in today’s professional sports. You can load a team with talent, but 8 times out of 10, that doesn’t pan out.

        Like I said before, I’ll give them until late November/early December to pull out of this nosedive. Beyond that, that’s where they need to take a good look inward.

      • Jay D - Oct 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM

        Load team with talent and not be successful….. see the rangers for years in the recent past.

        back to the womb i go to bake some more

  10. KJB - Oct 17, 2013 at 11:46 PM

    This is what happens when flagrant, unbridled emotion calls the shots. This team has been nothing but a charade since the Richards/Carter/Pronger days. After the 2010 Cup Finals, expectations are high, the team gets swept by EVENTUAL CUP CHAMPION Boston Bruins. Emotional knee-jerk reaction: Scapegoat Richards/Carter because of their controversial Old City/Avalon lifestyle and send them to LA. Soon Pronger goes down, and the Flyers are nothing to write home about, earn a 5th seed. Miraculously, they upset the vaunted and hated Pittsburgh Penguins. Suddenly, this team is supposedly something special?? They had a good series, which they weren’t expected to win in the first place, and then proceed to have their butts absolutely handed to them by (6th seed!) NJ in the 2nd round. It wasn’t even competitive and painful to watch. Yet, the emotional euphoria of beating Pittsburgh creates this phony aura of supposed talent around the team. Management effectively bets the house on this new, young “core” because of the Pittsburgh series. G gets the C. Schenn, Coots, and Read are the building blocks of the future. Hartnell and Simmonds are supposedly more than 3rd line talent. None of this is based on objective reality. This team is severely overrated. The lockout season gets blamed on a lockout season. Management smugly doubles down on old dudes to build around the “core”. And here we are. At least we have a “pretty good culture.” This organization needs to stop kidding itself, clean house, start over.

    • BenE. - Oct 18, 2013 at 4:51 AM

      I agree with your point about the Pittsburgh series. Make no mistake, the ONLY reason we won that series is because Marc-Andre Fleury managed to play even worse than Ilya Bryzgalov.

      Another glaring mistake was labeling Couturier and B. Schenn “untouchable” when Anaheim and Phoenix said deals for Bobby Ryan and Keith Yandle must include one of them. Couturier and Schenn are not rare talent. To continue with the example of that playoff series against Pittsburgh, a lot was made about Couturier defending Malkin, and Scooter did deserve credit for his play that series. But he is still nothing more than a checking line center who plays like a cocker spaniel when he has the puck. As for Schenn, I really like him. He’s a good player, grinds hard, and is one of the few players I’ve noticed every game this season. I don’t think you can label him untouchable when you have a chance to trade for a first line winger (Ryan) or a top pairing PMD (Yandle). Giroux desperately needs another winger who knows how to find the net. Hartnell falling down on top of it doesn’t count.

      • Jay D - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:06 AM

        I dont know why your so high on Yandle…
        1 assist so far through 7 games…most goals he’s had in a season was 12.
        whats PMD? Playmaker ?

        god the goaltending was so bad that pitt phl playoffs series…sends shivers down my spine.

      • BenE. - Oct 18, 2013 at 10:16 AM

        PMD = puck moving defenseman. Seems to be the buzzword lately.

        I lived in Tempe from 2008-11 so I might be biased toward Yandle, but he is good in his own end, skates well, and is great in transition. Basically all of the things Mark Streit isn’t at an identical price ($5.25 mil). So when the Coyotes wanted Phoenix-local Sean Couturier included in a trade, and Holmgren called him untouchable, that killed a negotiation for what could have been a beneficial trade for both teams.

      • Jay D - Oct 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

        ahhhh ok. (PMD)

        Yea in that sense it would of made a lot more sense…Yandle Im sure would of been better option than streit. Streit does move the puck into the zone at times pretty well, but for the same price obviously you’d want youth (better speed / less chances to break down.)

        The blocked shots against us too is ridiculous….it’s gotta be somewhat poor shot selection, then again i’m sure theyre pressing pretty hard to get anything on net since we only have a handful of goals this year.

  11. Brad - Oct 18, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    Reading this after the game last night makes it sting a little. G is a solid player and he really needs some talent around him.

    The GM needs to go. I think nothing, at this point, is more clear: the GM needs to go.

    • MJS - Oct 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM

      “G is a solid player and he really needs some talent around him.”

      The problem with this statement is that G should be making the players around him better (ie he shouldn’t need a Jagr on his line to be successful). Look at what Crosby does with Kunitz and Dupuis. I’m not saying G = Crosby, but if Kunitz and Dupuis were on our first line, we would be hearing the same complaints about “3rd line players playing on the first line.” It’s not like they’re asking him to play with absolute trash either (I know there are Hartnell haters, but he and Kunitz aren’t too different).

      The problem is our chemistry (or lack thereof) with our lines. I’m hoping Chief mixes them up big time for the NYR game. And that includes keeping McGinn up, moving him or Hartnell to the 3rd line, bumping Talbot to the 4th (to try to get an offensive push with the 3rd), and not feeling the need to play Newbury or Rosehill every night because they have served absolutely zero purpose so far (not saying that won’t, but to this point they have done absolutely nothing Rinaldo can’t do better).

      • MJS - Oct 18, 2013 at 9:55 AM

        sorry…not saying they* won’t

      • Brad - Oct 18, 2013 at 2:00 PM

        I hear you. That’s why a said G is a “solid” player. No matter how you slice it, we do not have the right pieces in place and that’s on the GM.

  12. Schmidsy - Oct 18, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    What’s the over under on Homer and Chief getting pink slips together..Hexy steps in, and Paddock follows suit.. T

    • BenE. - Oct 18, 2013 at 8:31 AM

      I think it’s clear Berube isn’t the problem. He’s trying to polish a turd right now.

  13. willh888 - Oct 18, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    lockout was way more fun than this


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