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Sens backup goalie on Emery’s fight: ‘It’s assault, isn’t it?’

Nov 12, 2013, 4:55 PM EDT


Your last-place Flyers are back in action tonight in Ottawa—can you feel the excitement? Despite scuffling through the first five weeks of the season though, Philadelphia has managed to remain at the forefront of the NHL news cycle thanks to one Ray Emery.

Emery’s beatdown of Washington netminder Braden Holtby has sparked much debate and possibly an eventual rule-change that could effectively eliminate goalie fights. There’s a feeling around the league that the line has been crossed, and apparently that extends to rival goaltenders.

Senators backup Robin Lehner chimed in with his two cents before their tilt with the Flyers on Tuesday, likening what Emery did to a crime. Don Brennan of the Ottawa Sun has more:

“I can’t be down 7-0 and decide I’ll take a guy that can’t defend himself and pound him, I don’t think,” said Lehner, who will back up Craig Anderson in Tuesday’s Ottawa-Philadelphia game at Canadian Tire Centre. “I think I should get suspended if I do it. It’s assault – isn’t it?”

Lehner has one fight as a pro and it occurred when he was with the Binghamton Senators on Oct. 20, 2012. His opponent? Syracuse goalie Riku Helenius.

“My rule has been, if I see the other goalie goes out to the corner, (my) team is a man (down),” said Lehner. “That’s what happened in my fight in the AHL too. I was into it and Helenius came down because it was 6-against-5. (It wasn’t) even numbers. Then you go.

“Holtby wasn’t interested. So he shouldn’t have gotten pounded. Simple, I think.”

Lehner talks a big game, but neither he nor Emery are starting tonight, and the chances the Sens have to pull Craig Anderson against the league’s worst offense (1.63 goals per game) are slim. It’s safe to say Lehner will avoid an “assault,” unless of course Emery decides to track him down in the parking lot afterwards.

I’m fairly certain the NHL would not need a new rule to slap him with a lengthy suspension for that kind of behavior. On that note, it’s been quiet on the rule-change front, which was said to be high on the agenda when general managers met over the weekend before Hall of Fame ceremonies.

[ Watch former Flyers head coach Fred Shero get inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame by son Ray ]

As for the Flyers, perhaps their four-goal outbreak against Edmonton over the weekend was a sign of things to come, particularly for Claude Giroux who finally found the back of the net for the first time in eleventy-billion games. Don’t look now, but Philly is 4-3-1 over their last eight, so at least there’s some improvement since beginning the season 1-7.

>> Senators goalie Robin Lehner on Emery: Assault is a crime, isn’t it? [Ottawa Sun]

  1. BenE. - Nov 12, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    “I can’t be down 7-0 and decide I’ll take a guy that can’t defend himself and pound him…”

    I’m tired of this debate in general, but especially when people make the statement in bold. Holtby could have defended himself but he didn’t. We can debate the morality of what Emery did as it pertains to the game of hockey, but Lehner and others can spare us the poor defenseless victim act. Holtby has two hands. He can make a fist and throw ‘em. Besides, Holtby looked none worse for wear after the fight. He was all smiles with the trainer.

    On to the Sens game, this should be a really physical matchup. Downie appears to be coming back tonight, which is great. He practiced on a line with Couturier and Read yesterday, so I assume they will be his linemates tonight.

    All in all, I’m hoping for a continuation of Saturday’s effort, and for the refs to let the boys play.

    • mike - Nov 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM

      Maybe Holtby wants to use his hands for something else, like stopping a puck. You know, what his job on the ice actually is. Maybe Emery can learn a thing or two.

      • BenE. - Nov 12, 2013 at 7:26 PM

        Emery was 17-1 last year with a 1.7 GAA as Crawford’s backup. He can tend goal just fine. He was also great in his two starts since that fight. Some people need to let bygones be bygones. Shit happens in hockey. It’s an intense and emotional sport. Y’all make it sound like Holtby and Steve Moore now have a lot in common.

      • t800m101 - Nov 12, 2013 at 9:01 PM

        Maybe Holtby should, ya know, learn how to win a Cup and not getting his ass kicked. In the mean time, you should learn to not come across as a total pussy. There is hope for Holtby, however, can’t say the same for you, mike.

  2. mike - Nov 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    “As for the Flyers, perhaps their four-goal outbreak against Edmonton”

    The Oilers have given up 75 goals in 19 games, an average of 3.9 goals a game. They also recently signed Bryzgalov. Don’t get too excited about the Flyers output against them.

    • BenE. - Nov 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM

      5-0. Time for the Senators to send a message.

      • 6687 - Nov 12, 2013 at 10:06 PM

        The Sens did send a message. They sent the message that they are a classy team with classy players. They sent a message that they don’t need to resort to classless goon tactics when they lose at home.

      • BenE. - Nov 12, 2013 at 10:17 PM

        I’m sure the fans loved the way their team rolled over and died.

    • t800m101 - Nov 12, 2013 at 10:34 PM

      6687 = Lemieux/Crosby = pens fan = fucking pillow biter.

      Get the fuck off this site.

      • 6687 - Nov 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM

        Pillow biter? Wow! That is some fresh material you are bringing. You have any more insults from 1978 to dispense. You are a real Yakov Smirnoff.

      • t800m101 - Nov 12, 2013 at 11:11 PM

        Shouldn’t you be fapping away to your faded Crosby poster? You’re a real cum guzzler.

      • 6687 - Nov 13, 2013 at 12:42 AM

        Hmmm… You sure do seem to know a lot about being gay and loving the Pittsburgh Penguins.

        Sometimes those that scream the loudest do so because they are stuck in the closet.

      • mike - Nov 13, 2013 at 7:30 AM

        Yea, the Penz Troll is right. You do manage to bring up gay sex in like every post. This isn’t grinder, dude.

      • ochospantalones - Nov 13, 2013 at 9:33 AM

        Seriously, t800m101 , watching a Pens fan smack you around like this is embarrassing to all Philadelphians. Find some non-homosexuality obsessed material please.

      • t800m101 - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:21 AM

        You three really deserve each other. Match made in heaven. Also, sticking up for a pens fan is a fate worse than death, then again, mike is a fake hockey/Flyers fan, so it’s not really suprising, same goes for the mental midget below him.

      • 6687 - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:27 AM

        I just want to let everyone know that I started watching hockey in 2005, (like most Penguins fans) so you shouldn’t take anything I say seriously.

      • 6687 - Nov 13, 2013 at 3:56 PM

        Two hockey fans both started watching hockey in 2005. One became a Flyers fan. One became a Penguins fan.

        Do you know what the difference is? The Penguins fan got to see his team win a Cup!

        I like how you hi-jacked my name to try to make me look stupid.

        Looks like the same thing happened to you. They even copied your picture.

        No wait, you really are that stupid!

      • 6687 - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

        I also liked when you spelled out my name like you were working on the Davinci Code.

        Good work, gumshoe!

      • t800m101 - Nov 13, 2013 at 7:01 PM

        That’s enough out of you, slingblade. You’re not fooling anyone. It’s no secret you’re absolutely hapless when it comes to hockey knowledge, you’re a Penguins fan and you started watching hockey in 2005. I almost feel sorry for you.

  3. igantz - Nov 12, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    Jimmy Howards take on this matter was much better. Saying if he saw Ray coming at him he would quickly find the nearest exit, which would probably be the zamboni gate.

  4. t800m101 - Nov 12, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Emery should beat the crap out of Lehner like he did to Holtby.

  5. BenE. - Nov 12, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    Put Emery in for the 3rd. Let’s see some fireworks.

    • 6687 - Nov 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

      Gotta save Emery for tomorrow so he can give up 6 goals to the Pens and then get whooped!

      • t800m101 - Nov 12, 2013 at 10:38 PM

        Gotta save Emery for tomorrow so when Malkin’s fugly face skates by the crease Emery can slash it. Then, hopefully, that would fix fugly Malkin’s crooked face, perhaps.

  6. gerard - Nov 13, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    Andrew, is it really fair to say that Lehner “talk(ed) a big game”? I didn’t take that from his comments at all…

    • Andrew Kulp - Nov 13, 2013 at 9:33 AM

      Wasn’t really intended to be taken seriously…

    • ochospantalones - Nov 13, 2013 at 9:36 AM

      Yeah, this seems like the opposite of talking a big game to me. He criticized the guy, appropriately. He didn’t say “Oh I could take Emery, he’s soft, if he’s try that stuff with me I’ll kick his ass!”.

  7. t800m101 - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Nice to see the Flyers get their most lop-sided win of the season when do-nothing euro pussy Raffl was scratched. They should keep it that way.

    • drew - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:45 AM

      dude you are absolutely brutal.

      • t800m101 - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:54 AM

        It’s beyond pathetic how far the once proud Flyer fan base has fallen, and people like drew are the problem. You have a lot to learn.

      • boom - Nov 13, 2013 at 11:02 AM

        He has a point though. What the hell does Raffl do exactly? I mean, he throws a decent hit every now and then, but does little else.

      • BenE. - Nov 13, 2013 at 11:41 AM

        I third this. I still say Raffl will be off the team by the end of December.

    • Marvin Monroe - Nov 13, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      Yes, because if there was anything that resulted the Flyers to a 5-0 victory on the road last night, it was the fourth line left-winger.

      • BenE. - Nov 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

        Another guy who doesn’t understand what it means to ice a complete team and, furthermore, doesn’t understand the concept of a crash line.

      • Marvin Monroe - Nov 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM

        I understand the importance of a 4th line playing during a back-to-back set. But to state that the Flyers victory had anything to do with Jay Rosehill playing over Michael Raffl is just ludicrous.

        Meanwhile, “do nothing Euro” Jake Voracek had two goals. If you want a do-nothing player, look no further than Luke Schenn.

      • t800m101 - Nov 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM

        You really don’t know when to quit, do ya, Marilyn? Those line combinations worked great last night.

      • t800m101 - Nov 13, 2013 at 1:59 PM

        Voracek isn’t a “do nothing” Euro. He’s struggling now, and needs to find his game ASAP. Now, pussy Raffl on the other hand, is the exact same mold as players like Andreas Nodl and Mika Pyorala. Remember how those wastes of space panned out? They’re sorry excuses for hockey players.

      • BenE. - Nov 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM

        You were the first person to mention Jay Rosehill, Marvin. Who was all over the ice against Edmonton, by the way. Les goonz! Mor Raffles.

      • Marvin Monroe - Nov 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

        Dude, 90% of 4th line players never progress into top line NHL players. Usually, when a guy is on the 4th line, it’s because he is not good enough to make it on the top 2 lines. It doesn’t matter if he is European or North American. The dream of every 4th line player is score a few massive goals in the playoffs and then hope some sucker of a GM gives you a massive contract.

        I don’t remember anybody ever claiming Andreas Nodl would be a great NHL player. Most people agreed he would bounce back and forth between the AHL and NHL. I don’t remember anybody stocking up on Nodl rookie cards or hoping to get the Nodl signed puck in their Santa Sack.

        For every European 4th line player who never progressed, I can name 10 North American 4th line players who never progressed. It’s not because North Americans are worse players. It’s because there are more Canadians in the NHL than Europeans, especially in the AHL and 4th lines.

      • t800m101 - Nov 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM

        The 4th line isn’t for developing players, the 4th line is your enforcer line (or what it’s supposed to be anyway). It’s not for guys that may or may not develop into potential 20+ goal scorers. The 4th line is for setting a physical presence and to keep other teams in check when they get out of hand. That’s what it’s for.

      • Marvin Monroe - Nov 13, 2013 at 7:43 PM

        The 4th line is called the Energy Line because they play while the good players regain their energy. You give the scrub players the speech about how they need to go out there make a physical presence and keep the other team in check. Sounds like you were one of the scrubs that got that speech. The 4th line is one step above the Mites on Ice and that blimp that flies around during intermission giving out coupons for West Coast Video. They keep the crowd entertained while the good players rest.

      • t800m101 - Nov 13, 2013 at 9:44 PM

        Sounds like you’re one the new pussy NHL fans or you never set foot on an ice rink in your life. Not surprising. Any one that grew up on the game or started to watch hockey pre-2004 knows that the fourth line is out there to send messages to the other team if anything gets out of hand. By your account, you would rather have some soft player out there rather than a legit heavyweight that actually serves a purpose. What happens if some punk takes a shot at your star player? Turn the other cheek?

      • Steve - Nov 13, 2013 at 9:50 PM

        I bet this “Marvin Monroe” is a penguins fan. Sounds like a true faggot.

      • Marvin Monroe - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:08 PM

        Of course I’ve never “set foot on an ice rink”. Ice is slippery, dumbass.

      • t800m101 - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:15 PM

        I saw what you did there, Gomer.

    • Jimothy - Nov 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM

      I don’t why the Flyers keep Raffl up but they keep on toying with a better player in McGinn, makes no sense.

  8. Jay D - Nov 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM


    dude get off the roids already

    • 6687 - Nov 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

      Dude needs to get laid, ASAP.

      • Jay D - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM

        — learn how to win a Cup and not getting his ass kicked.

        —fucking pillow biter.

        Get the fuck off this site.

        —You’re a real cum guzzler

        — Also, sticking up for a pens fan is a fate worse than death, then again, mike is a fake hockey/Flyers fan, so it’s not really suprising, same goes for the mental midget below him.

        —so when Malkin’s fugly face skates by the crease Emery can slash it.

        —when do-nothing euro pussy

        good lord….

      • Steve - Nov 13, 2013 at 8:10 PM

        Dude, you’re a pens fan, you need to kill yourself.

    • t800m101 - Nov 13, 2013 at 4:56 PM

      You cry more than Crosby. Don’t drown us in your tears.

      • 6687 - Nov 14, 2013 at 12:47 AM

        Do you mean the tears of joy when he won the Stanley Cup?

        Or when he was able to take the Stanley Cup to his home town?

        Or how about when he score the gold medal clinching goal for Team Canada?

        Which tears of joy do you mean?

      • t800m101 - Nov 14, 2013 at 7:55 AM

        Oh Crosby. Don’t you recall all those tears every time you lost your way on the ice? Poor little girl. I gotta admit, for such a great player, all those tears you flow when you don’t get your way make you look like a little pussy. It’s a pity, because when it’s all said and done, you’ll be remembered as a crying girl on the ice first, and a world class player second. Ya know, you’ll be 41 years old and you’ll still be referred to as ‘Sid the Kid’, and it isn’t because they rhyme.

  9. upper90cheese - Nov 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    t800m101 + Steve > 6687 + Jay D


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