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Phillies moderately warm stove rumblings: Chooch, Trumbo… oh and Stanton again

Nov 8, 2013, 12:51 PM EDT


Things have been lukewarm on the stove to start the free agency period in Philadelphia.

A couple of links of interest:

Chooch is a free agent and the Phillies will attempt to bring him back as their catcher for 2014 but they’re not gonna just sit around and wait forever. Ruben did some posturing in the Daily News today, from Ryan Lawrence:

“I can assure you if it takes similar as long [to get a deal done], there will be very little chance of bringing Chooch back,” Amaro said yesterday of Ruiz. “We can’t afford to miss out on other opportunities.”

Ruben is referring to the wait-and-see they played with Jimmy Rollins a couple of offseasons ago.

Jim Salisbury tosses the not-on-the-trade-market Giancarlo Stanton back onto the rumor mill:

One of the things we’ve learned about Ruben Amaro Jr. over the years is that he can be unrelenting in his pursuit of player that he really wants. Witness his stalking of Roy Halladay years ago. Amaro was still the Phillies’ assistant GM when he started plotting ways to get Halladay from Toronto. He became GM after the 2008 season and started a full-court press on Halladay in the summer of 2009. He finally landed him in December 2009.

This is why Stanton has to be on the list of potential targets. Amaro has admitted to continually checking in with Marlins officials to gauge the slugger’s availability.

In short, Stanton is Amaro’s new White Whale.

A more realistic option is L.A.’s Mark Trumbo:

2011-2013 stats: .251, averaged 32 homers, 94 RBIs, .300 on-base percentage, .473 slugging percentage
Most recent contract: Made $540,000 in 2013

Is he any better than Darin Ruf?

From earlier in the week, Ken Rosenthal said the Phils kicked the tires on left-hander David Price who you likely remember as a youngster from the 2008 WS, but anything actually happening there seems unlikely.

Heard any rumblings that excite you about the Phillies offseason? Let us know.

  1. docdeath20 - Nov 8, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    There aren’t enough players to get Stanton unless they include Hamels and Lee and that won ‘t happen. As far as Choochie I wouldn’t bring him back period, I am okay with Rupp, Joseph etc. It’s time to turn the page and move on. Way too many false hopes. Howards coming back and big whoopee I would love to package him off I think Mutley will have a solid season in 2014, I think Pop Up Jimmy is done, he refuses to take pitches, bunt etc and still swings for the fences. I am a huge fan of Diamond in a Ruff and D. Brown. They are 2 solid corners to build around. I love the kid at third base he reminds me of a young Mutley. I would try and move Howard the K to American league for a bag of pretzels and a coke, bring Franco up play him at first base and again turn the page. I love the youth in the pen and bringing in a Jamie Moyers or Leo the lion Mazzone would be a great move for Sandberg. I am ok with Martin and Petibone as well, however talking about the youth movement I would allow Biddle and the other lefty Morgan I think is his name to pitch in the Bigs as well. We need to see what we have before we start spending zillions on bums again. But thats me talking who knows what Ruby will do.

    • TheWildcard - Nov 8, 2013 at 11:48 PM

      Okay, who the hell is Mutley?

      • docdeath20 - Nov 9, 2013 at 10:33 AM

        Utley it was a joke I had going with somebody I knew from a different site I post with.

  2. Harry Hood - Nov 8, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    “Is he any better than Darrin Ruf”

  3. phillyupperdecker - Nov 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Its time to lick our wounds and retool(not blow it up). I don’t think the Phillies should try to make any big splashes in the FA market. However, there are a few under the radar moves they could make that would fill some holes and benefit the team for the future. In terms of production as well as flexibility.

    Sign Dioner Navarro. He is 30yo switch hitting catcher. He will come cheap and be a stop gap to see if Joseph can win the job or until someone better comes along. He is a good defender with some pop in his bat. Basically he is Chooch Light.

    Sign Chris Young for RF. Another 30yo, RH bat with decent power. Young is a good defender, has good speed, and can hit for some power. I don’t think expecting 20-25 HR, .250/.330/.450 is out of line for him in RF next season. He can play all OF positions.

    Both could be had on 2 year deals and wouldn’t hold us to bad contracts.

    Here is my pipe dream to win the WS next year.

    Trade away Howard (for something, no idea what that is yet though)

    Get Trumbo and Bourjos from the Angels
    Sign Navarro
    Sign Young

    S Rollins SS
    R Bourjos CF
    L Utley 2B
    L Brown LF
    R Trumbo 1B
    L Young RF
    L Ashce 3B
    R Navarro C

    • willh888 - Nov 8, 2013 at 2:34 PM

      not sure what you want with bourjos. does he steal bags? does he get on base? does he slug? Good defense, but you can find that in a lot of guys who don’t cost money (JMJ)

      same with Chris Young. I don’t want any .250 hitters. He actually hit over .250 just once in 8 years. The rest of his career is just not very good. Phils can probably find another 30 year old with a .695 OPS.

      instead of filling the gaps with marginal at best players from the outside, try to load up on pitching and score an avg amount of runs with the guys you got like Brown, Utley. If you can add one significant piece and work around the rest with a much, much needed improved bullpen, you might have yourself an 80-90 win team. I just don’t think Chris Young is the guy, even as a stop gap. He’s just stop

    • galasso2586 - Nov 8, 2013 at 3:09 PM

      Does everbody forget about Ben Revere? He’s better than Bourjos and before his injurty was the only person on the team batting above .300. Yes he has no power whatsoever, but gets on base and steals bags.

      • willh888 - Nov 8, 2013 at 3:34 PM

        yeah really, if you have an OF of Brown, Revere, Choo or Beltran (gasp!) it’s not lookin’ so bad. Use Ruf at first even if Howard is healthy for lefties because yes.. it’s that time for Howard. Utley, Rollins, Asche/Frandsen and your only big question mark is catcher. Do you resign an older, ailing chooch who’s still good defensively, or do you go younger in your own system and bring in a vet to back him up. Get Jroll out of that leadoff spot forever and ever, utley 2, round out the rest with brown, beltran/choo, ruff, rollins and company and you’re not looking as bad as 2013. You don’t even have to trade for Price to improve the rotation even though it sounds kinda cool. Just get that damn BP good again

      • BenE. - Nov 8, 2013 at 10:22 PM

        Yeah we can talk outfielders and catchers all we want, but the three biggest problems that need fixing this offseason are bullpen, bullpen, and bullpen.

    • docdeath20 - Nov 8, 2013 at 3:57 PM

      I appreciate your wishful thinking however you need a GM who is creative not an IDIOT like A$$ Clown Rubie. He hasn’t made any trades in my opinion that warrants anything creative. All he does is sign other teams high price FA or resign his own at ridiculous amounts and years of money. I have zero confidence in his ability to bring anyone in via trade. What this team needs is a new GM to blow it up and keep Mutley and get rid of Howard, Pop Up Jimmy, Chooooochie, KK etc etc. We will not win with the players here. keep Ruf, Brown, Ache, Ben R and all the young kids, Freddy, Caesar etc and let them play. We have Rupp and Joseph if healthy catching and they need to play period.

      • galasso2586 - Nov 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM

        All of our younger guys in the system are at least one year away from being major league ready (that includes Joseph, Franco, and Biddle). The youth movement can’t start quite yet. The young guys inthe majors next year will be the same ones that were there this year (Brown, Ruf, Revere, Asche will be starters).

        I like the idea of Chris Young, maybe Choo, but I don’t want to overspend on Beltran (which some other team will), don’t want Ellsbury and the monster deal he’s looking for.

        As for catcher, if Chooch doesn’t come back, what about Salty? He could be had for a relatively low price, solid defensively, with a little pop, and a great clubhouse guy. I don’t think he’d be a terrible option.

      • docdeath20 - Nov 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM

        I love your idea however I believe they are ready now, hell thats the issue with these GM’s the Mets [Harvey] Nats [Strasburg] just saying. I don’t buy the one more year thing, look at Trout he wasn’t ready they had an injury called him up and the rest is history. We need to be bold and play the Morgan’s. Biddle’s, Franco.s etc etc. Howard is done he strikes out way way too much for a 4 hole hitter, POP UP Jimmy if not for his glove was done 2 years ago. Horrible player who plays when he wants, hustles when he wants etc. CHOOOCHIE to much wear and tear better suited as DH. Youth infusion is what this team needs and its now not in 2015. Keep up the great comments enjoy reading them I wish you were the Phil’s GM

      • BenE. - Nov 8, 2013 at 10:26 PM

        Get rid of Kyle Kendrick? You’re insane. He is a bargain for how versatile he is, and he has kept his mouth shut through all the times he has been bounced around our pitching staff.

        I think he’s a keeper, like Hamels and Lee, unless a team is willing to blow us away for Cliff Lee. Kendrick is the anchor the Phillies need at the back of the rotation.

      • docdeath20 - Nov 9, 2013 at 10:35 AM

        he stinks same thing each year starts off hot then fails in the summer months, I appreciate you input but disagree with you.

  4. Marvin Monroe - Nov 8, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Amaro needs to make a big splash in the next two/three weeks for one reason: season ticket renewals.

    I am a partial season ticket holder. I literally could not give away Phillies tickets this year. Amaro needs to do something to get them season ticket renewals to happen. There are a lot of people on the fence right now. There are still thousands of season ticket holders who bought the plans in 09-12 because it guaranteed playoff seats. Amaro needs to make a splash in order to retain those people. Ask any business owner, it is far more efficient to retain old customers than try to replace them with new customers.

  5. phillies8008 - Nov 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    Why is Ruben still wasting time with Stanton? He needs to stop worrying about getting his stupid White Whale and start focusing on addressing our needs in the most sensible way. He acts like a little kid playing a baseball video game.

    • docdeath20 - Nov 9, 2013 at 3:19 PM

      Man I couldn’t said it better myself waste of time and a waste of reporting.

  6. PhillyFan - Nov 9, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    W/ hindsight being 20/20, I dare to say that Halladay should have never become a Phillie.

    • willh888 - Nov 9, 2013 at 11:03 PM

      Complete games between 2007 and 2011,

      Verlander 14
      Halladay 42

      his dominance might even be UNDERrated, and the Phils acquired him right in the middle of this run. They gave up some dudes and Kyle Drabek. You want him back?


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