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Trade Deadline: Nothing to See Here But the Same Old Phillies

Jul 31, 2013, 4:59 PM EDT

source:  The 4:00 pm non-waiver trade deadline has come and gone and Michael Young is playing first base and batting second this evening for your Philadelphia Phillies. Many thought the veteran was all but gone leading into the deadline, but Ruben Amaro Jr. did not make any deals for the first time in years and the Phillies you’ll see tonight are the Phillies you saw last night with one notable exception. 3B prospect Cody Asche will make his first start in the bigs tonight.

That doesn’t assure M. Young or a handful of the others guys are going to be here all season, as a trade via the waiver wire in August is certainly still a possibility, as Ruben told reporters prior to tonight’s game against the Giants.

I suppose if we’re looking for any silver lining on a day in which a whole lot of nothing happened, there was this from Charlie Manuel:

photo of a clock at Citizens Bank Park by Phillies photographer Jim Salisbury

  1. thesixersbench - Jul 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    Sheesh. Hard to be upset or happy seeing as we don’t know what offers were on the table and if they were any good, but almost all Phillies news is depressing these days.

    I don’t think Amaro is incompetent, but I don’t think he’s in the top half of GMs in the league, either. Worries me that he’s overseeing this “rebuild” or retooling effort…an eye for young or cheap talent does not seem to be one of his strengths.

    • Edward does not like Rube - Jul 31, 2013 at 5:32 PM

      This comes down to the TV deal… Getting rid of your most popular players does not bode well for a better deal. Winning doesn’t matter just keep selling those Lee and Utley t-shirt jerseys!!! 10 years of losing on the way.

      • thesixersbench - Jul 31, 2013 at 6:13 PM

        Big time TV deal makes it easier to improve talent level quickly, no?

      • BenE. - Jul 31, 2013 at 6:58 PM

        Fuck the TV deal. They’re still gonna suck in 2015 at this rate.

  2. Edward does not like Rube - Jul 31, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Who gets you more money an aging but still popular Utley or Hernandez at 2b… The organization is forsaking the future by not blowing this team up so they can keep their aging stars and get a better deal. They can not afford to rebuild when it’s time for the tv deal. It’s like pushing out Ali to fight Holmes. You will watch bc it’s Ali. More talented fighters but not a bigger name.

    • Edward does not like Rube - Jul 31, 2013 at 6:44 PM

      Anyone that thinks this team should not be blown up is a straight sucker.

  3. Mostel - Jul 31, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Brutal Ruben, brutal. At a minimum Lee, Papelbon, and Young should have been traded. Jimmy, Chase, and Chooch as well.

    • Ruben - Aug 1, 2013 at 8:51 AM

      What if Ruben didn’t get the value he wanted for any of them? Gotta sell high on any of them. Can’t trade just for the sake of a making a trade.

  4. BenE. - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    Uneventful and extremely disappointing. Just like every other day so far this season.

  5. Dr Bandersnatch - Jul 31, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    What does it say when no other team was that interested in the players and contracts tied to them. Any selloff would have been more of a fire sale with the phillies getting scraps. The team and front office have put themselves in a tough spot, keep a marginally adequate team on the field and hope you get lucky and find a few pieces so the team can contend again, or become basement dwellers for the next few seasons and irrelevant like the Cubs and Astros.

  6. Matt S. - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    It really sucks watching this team become the Calgary Flames of baseball.

  7. Mike - Jul 31, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    This team is becoming what it has always been with this ownership group. The only sustained success was when they went outside of the organization and hired Gillick. Amaro is Wade with more money. Monty and Co have always been happy with mediocrity, nothing has changed. The Gillick years were the outliers.

    • sfsu - Jul 31, 2013 at 10:11 PM

      Wade is better than Amaro. He did much more with much less money available than Amaro (I know no one can remember this, but the 2001-2005 Phillies were a lot of fun until Manuel ruined the 2005 wild-card race, and there’s a decent argument that the 9/11 attacks hindered the Phillies’ chances at the 2001 NL East — they were scheduled to begin a huge series at Atlanta on Sept. 11 and the week of canceled baseball pushed that series to the very last weekend).

      Also, Wade fleeced the Phils in the Hunter Pence trade (like, absolutely smoked Amaro), and he probably came out on top with the Michael Bourn-Brad Lidge trade (yes the Phillies got incredibly lucky that Lidge only sucked in 2008 when a save wasn’t on the line — or when Shane Victorino was ready to throw out a blown save at home plate at Turner Field — but there’s no denying that Bourn had a better stretch than Lidge).

      Wade earned less money than Amaro, had significantly less money to throw around, and still finished with a better body of work than Amaro. Wade’s biggest mistake? Hiring the manager who Amaro hasn’t yet had the balls to fire.

    • mac - Jul 31, 2013 at 10:11 PM

      outliers that showed the ownership that the Phillies can be big business… theyre in a poor transition phase with a lot of money locked up, once they get free of the end of this era, and actually move into the next one, then we can start judging whether things have actually changed, it’s still way too soon.

    • Ruben - Aug 1, 2013 at 8:56 AM

      Hamels, Howard, Rollins, Utley were Wade picks. Halladay, Lee and Ibanez were RAJ. Gillick picked up Victorino, Werth and role players to supplement the core. Smart, yes, but to say that it was all Gillick is an overstatement at the very least

  8. galasso2586 - Aug 1, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    This really does come down to the TV deal and that there is a 2nd Wild Card spot now. Teams can be mediocre and still get into the playoffs with 86 wins or so. With a rotation of Lee, Hamels, Gonzalez, Kendrick, and possibly Halladay next year and a line up that could feature some new young faces (Asche, Franco, Joseph) to go along with Utley, Revere, Rollins, and Brown; it’s not impossible for them to get to 86 wins (Is it likely? That’s up to each person’s opinion). The bullpen will still suck, but moves can be made to help out. Also, we’re all forgetting that next year will most likely be the beginning of the Ryne Sandberg Era. I think we can all agree a new voice at the top might help this team.

    To go along with all of that, you get a team that is challenging for a playoff spot which will have people watch on TV and put butts in the seats. You can keep the numbers up for 2 more years and get that fat TV contract to increase revenue exponentially and put the Phillies in the bracket of the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers.

  9. Steve - Aug 1, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    It seems that this world-altering TV deal has been in discussion for the past decade or so. When is it set to go into effect? Has there been any finite news about it at all?

    A lot of people seem to be putting all of their hopes and dreams into it being the great save-all for this organization, but I’m not going to hold my breath.

  10. Gary - Aug 7, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    I have been a Phillies fan for 49 years, after watching the last two weeks I am done, their manager is pathetic, doesn’t have a clue what he is doing. The bullpen is the laughing stock of the league, no team fears anyone of those sorry ass , lack of talent has beens comming into a game. When Manuel gets a good game from his starter he screws it up by bringing in one of those clowns. Twenty more pitches from a starter who has a shutout, even if he has thrown 110 pitches, is far more impressive than DeFratus”DUMB, or Papplebon”DUMBER”. I’m done until they get rid of Manuel and that whole stinking bullpen. Throw in Howard and Rollins, they are both beyond their prime and injury prone.


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