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Richards and Carter trades boiled down to cold, hard numbers

Feb 1, 2014, 2:57 PM EDT

Believe it or not, Saturday marks the first time the Philadelphia Flyers go head-to-head versus Mike Richards and Jeff Carter at the same time, a tilt nearly two years in the making. This is also an occasion to rehash the debate over whether the organization did the right thing in “blowing it up” in 2011.

While Richards and Carter took different paths to the Los Angeles Kings, the fact is they won a Stanley Cup together the ensuing season after they were traded, two short years removed from nearly doing the same in Philly mind you. They’re not necessarily the stars of the show in LA the way they were here, but they accomplished

From the Flyers’ point of view, their roster became both younger and far more productive. In a straight points comparison, the orange and black have actually got more scoring from key components of those deals Jake Voracek (133) and Wayne Simmonds (119) than the Kings have from Richards (111) and Carter (101).

That’s not even accounting for Brayden Schenn and Sean Couturier, two young players who continue to show improvement.

Of course, if we added Richards’ and Carter’s points from all those playoff games LA has been in, the numbers might look a bit different.

  1. Negativo - Feb 1, 2014 at 3:04 PM

    Great trade in hindsight. I’m happy with the forwards on this team…..still miss Richards….screw carter.

    ….homer is a blind squirrel.

  2. patfalloon - Feb 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM

    Wait, when the hell did these trades happen!?

  3. t800m101 - Feb 1, 2014 at 4:14 PM

    Still talking about these trades? Time to move on.

  4. Marvin Monroe - Feb 1, 2014 at 6:47 PM

    Here, let’s do that thing when I post some stats without naming names and you can guess who I am talking about.

    Team A Playoff Wins Since the Trades:25
    Team B Playoff Wins Since the Trades: 5

    Team A Stanley Cup Championships: 1
    Team B Stanley Cup Championships: 0

    Can you guess which team is Team A and which is Team B?

    • Matt S. - Feb 2, 2014 at 12:36 PM

      Can you guess which team has a franchise goalie and an elite defensive core?

      • Marvin Monroe - Feb 2, 2014 at 1:21 PM

        Yep, and the Kings have a franchise goalie and elite defensive core because of their GM and President, who worked as a scout for the Flyers from 2003-2006. Good thing the Flyers let him go to the Kings while the Flyers hired Holmgren to be GM a few months later.

  5. FlyersFan - Feb 1, 2014 at 10:32 PM


    Someone explain how a team that has struggled defensively like the Flyers have all year suddenly post two shutouts in the last 3 games?

    What is the common factor in the two shutout games?

    Could it be that the Flyers actually play better without Kimmo Fucking Timonen aka The Escort?

    Yes, I think it is.

    Let’s see if Berube has the balls to scratch The Escort the next game.

    • Andrew Kulp - Feb 1, 2014 at 10:33 PM

      Red Wings have a ton of injuries and Kings are in a funk.

      • FlyersFan - Feb 1, 2014 at 11:21 PM

        @Andrew Kulp

        How do you explain the better play from the Flyers?

        No more odd man rushes. No more short handed goals given up. Better play along the boards.More board battles won. Less time spent in the defensive zone. Quicker breakouts resukting in faster transitions.

        Is this all attributable to the Red Wings injuries and the Kings in an offensive funk?

        I don’t think so. The Flyers are a much better team without Timonen dragging them down.

      • Andrew Kulp - Feb 1, 2014 at 11:30 PM

        I tend to agree Timonen has been less than stellar, but yes, I think some of those things you listed have to do with one team missing several high-end players and the other struggling. I don’t believe you can pin the Flyers’ issues on one man so easily.

      • BenE. - Feb 2, 2014 at 12:48 AM

        Your logical fallacy is: false cause. Next.

      • BenE. - Feb 2, 2014 at 12:49 AM

        That was to FlyersFan. The one guy who has managed to be more obnoxious and redundant than BenE.

      • psudrozz - Feb 2, 2014 at 9:46 AM

        *scoring funk

    • Marvin Monroe - Feb 2, 2014 at 1:18 AM

      The Kings are in a historically bad funk right now. Over the past 6 games, the Kings have been shut out 3 times and Anze Kopitar is the only player to score. Kopitar has the Kings only 3 goals the past 6 games. First time since 1920 that a player has done that. And in 15 games in January, they scored 1 goal or less in 9 games.

      Flyers can’t take too much credit for the shut out tonight.

      • psudrozz - Feb 2, 2014 at 9:47 AM

        mason can.

  6. Mostel - Feb 1, 2014 at 10:58 PM

    Numbers? Maybe the numbers involved in the trade were .10 and .08. When the DUI laws became more strict, Carter and Richards were going to get arrested sooner or later.


  7. FlyersFan - Feb 2, 2014 at 9:30 AM

    @Andrew Kulp

    I can tell you’ve never played competitive hockey before. One guy not in sync with his teammates can easily drag the rest of the team down.

    Look how much better the Flyers are without Timonen. The proof is right in front of you. Don’t forget, either, that Timonen was getting top pair minutes every game. Over 20 minutes a night. When a guy that bad gets the majority of minutes you better believe he can drag the rest of a team down.

    Timonen has been useless this year. Useless. $6million for 2 goals and running a power play that given up a league high 9 short handed goals.

    How fucking atrocious can one guy get?

    • psudrozz - Feb 2, 2014 at 9:48 AM

      timo has lost a step. reminds me of the years after desjardins blew out his knee.

    • chico resch - Feb 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM

      Jesus, flyers fan. We get it, you don’t like kimmo. Great. Your point is stupid but…taken. now shut up about it.

      • FlyersFan - Feb 2, 2014 at 1:22 PM

        @Chico Resch

        You over-simplify it.

        I don’t dislike Timonen for no reason. I dislike like him because he fucking blows and cost this team games.

        When he doesn’t play the Flyers win.

      • Rich Milkam - Feb 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM

        @chico resch & @Andrew Kulp

        if you played competitive hockey you would have correct opinions on blog comment forums…

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