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Multiple reports say Chooch is re-signing with the Phillies

Nov 18, 2013, 11:39 AM EDT

No word yet on specifics but a legit report from Fox Sports’ Ken Rostenthal that catcher Carlos Ruiz will return to Philadelphia to play for the Phillies will almost assuredly make fans in this town happy. More on the details of the deal when they become available. Do you think Ruben had to overpay here too?

UPDATE: That was quick. Matt Gelb of the Inquirer says it’s 3 years for $26 million which seems pretty fair in terms of yearly pay but may be a bit generous in years. Still, Chooch is back and that’s exciting.


  1. willh888 - Nov 18, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    “we want 6 mil”


    “maybe 7?”


    “how bout 8″


  2. Mike - Nov 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Rube is hell bent on ruining this team for as long as possible.

  3. Jactaid - Nov 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Makes sense. McCann & Salty were going to ask for many more years and way more bucks. The Phils bring back a veteran who can still put up good numbers, keeps the locker room happy and can help in both the new pitching coach and some of the young arms they’re developing.

    At $8.5/year, it’s pretty much a bargain looking at whoever else is out there in free agency.

    They’re still too far away from handing the reigns over to Joseph or Rupp. And Kratz, though helpful off the bench, is no starter.

    • Mike - Nov 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM

      Rupp is 24, they better not be that far away from handing over the reigns. This team is going nowhere, and resigning another of the players who are well on the downside does absolutely nothing to help the team. How much did the happy locker room help last year? It isn’t that this contract, unto itself, is awful. It’s that it’s another bad contract to an old player who is only going to get worse during the deal, unless he cheats again.

      • Jactaid - Nov 18, 2013 at 2:28 PM

        True, they’re looking more like the 2010-12 Yankees in terms of older players, but in all honesty, what are they supposed to do? Amaro’s screwed himself over the past couple of years and moving forward, there’s only so many places to go.

        The re-building window closed the instant they handed over new paydays to Rollins and Utley (Hamels they had to do). You can’t go down the road that they attempted in ’09 and ’10 in just signing the best free agents out in the market willy-nilly. Amaro’s stuck with a decent enough team to compete, but keep dreaming of the playoffs with their mediocre farm system, a core team of guys on the wrong side of 30, and a remaining cast of nobodys and has-beens.

        Broken down, the Chooch deal was the best option for this team. You know what you’re getting with him, he’s obviously playing well enough that other teams would put down more years and dollars to get him, not to mention he’s a viable candidate to control the young arms moving up from AAA and keep guys like Lee and Hamels happy and on their game.

        This team is going to be what it has been since the start of last year. Plug and play with guys and run with hot hands. Odds are it won’t work with the Nationals another year experienced and the Braves always in the mix of playoff contenders. I wouldn’t even be suprised to see Miami start putting winning pieces together in the next few years. A duck is a duck, and it’ll still be a duck while Amaro is in the driver seat and the culture he’s man-handled is in place.

      • willh888 - Nov 18, 2013 at 6:15 PM

        Bad signings don’t force you into more bad signings. Compounding mistakes isn’t just desperate, it’s simply stupid. We all love Chooch, i get that, but the guy will start the season as a 35 year old catcher coming off a recent ped suspension. It’s not like he’s some fleet of foot athlete.. he’s a stocky little fella who plays the toughest most tolling position in baseball. It’s not like 34+ year olds can’t play ball, but your entire infield is 34 and over, plus another overpaid guy coming off his own ped suspension. The point isn’t to have a team full of 21 year olds.. but at least pay these guys what they’re worth. Both signings stink of haste.

        You have a young budding manager and you hand him an old team full of “crafty vets” or whatever crap spin Rube puts on it. Make dudes fight for spots in the spring.

    • Mike - Nov 18, 2013 at 3:56 PM

      I think what they’re supposed to do is start digging out of the whole, instead of going in deeper. Buck would have been a better signing than Ruiz. He’s 32 not 35, and you have a reasonable chance of getting 3 decent years from him. Joseph is hopefully the future but that’s just hope, and I can understand trying to bridge the gap. I just wouldn’t have given the money to someone over 35. This team looks nothing like the 2010-12 Yankees, there is no Cano or no Granderson type of player. This is an old bad team, that’s getting older and worse.

      • Jactaid - Nov 18, 2013 at 5:08 PM

        Disagree with you on the Buck better than Ruiz thing. Buck (who will be 34 in July) just doesn’t have the numbers as Ruiz, not to mention a $6.5M 2013 salary to his name.

        If Ruiz ended up signing with Boston, the Phils face two options which are (a) go after Salty who’s probably going to push you for similar costs (not as great defensively as Ruiz) or (b) you go with cheaper but less ideal players in Pierzynski or Navarro. Neither of situations is great and just another nail in the coffin.

        By the Yankees, I meant in terms of age, not by production. Then again, the Yankees are the shell of themselves as of late too.

        Regardless, it’s too late to blow this team up and go back to square one and it’s too late to pay the high-profile free agents to come in and save the day. This is a team that just has to wait out the laborous contracts they signed, turn the corner when that day comes and build anew. It is what it is, and as a Phillies fan — like it or not — that’s what you’re going to see on the field this year, and next year and the next year after that.

  4. BenE. - Nov 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Great signing! Worst case scenario, Ruiz can’t play a full season in that third year at age 37, and he splits time with Joseph or maybe Knapp, and teaches them the intangibles of handling the pitching staff, getting the pitchers to trust him, playing defense, and giving great interviews.

  5. Marvin Monroe - Nov 18, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    I hate this signing. The Phillies should have signed a 24-year-old switch hitting catcher who will hit 40 homers next year, 145 RBI and .350 batting average. And signed him for 10 years, a total of $20 million dollars.

    I’m so sick of their excuse about how players like that aren’t available in free agency. Make it happen, Rube.

  6. Tom - Nov 18, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    I wish RAJ would just turn into a hippie, that way he’ll stop signing players over 30.

  7. charlie - Nov 18, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    Ok all you nay sayers. Can I have your Diamond Club seats at an appreciable discount seeing as the team is gonna suck so bad? I’ll take 108 thru 118 if I must.


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