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Phillies Reportedly Shopping Cliff Lee But Want Team’s First Born in Return

Jul 29, 2013, 1:44 PM EDT

source:  The vibe out of the Philadelphia Phillies after their atrocious road trip sure seems to be “sell,” but to what extent still remains to be seen. Michael Young is probably packing up his locker in preparation as we type, but other guys like Carlos Ruiz, Jonathan Papelbon, or Cliff Lee seem to have a less predictable fate.

While I had believed Cliff Lee was unlikely to get dealt yet again by Ruben Amaro, it seems the Phillies decision maker is at least listening to offers and is demanding quite a return.

From Jon Heyman at

“He’s telling people it’ll take you three or four best prospects, plus you’d have to take all the money,” one competing executive said of Phillies GM Ruben Amaro.

Another executive put it thusly, “You’d have to give up your first born, second and third born, too.”

I tend to be of the opinion that it’s foolish to not at least listen to what other teams have to offer for your current guys. That doesn’t mean anything is necessarily going to get done before Wednesday’s trade deadline though. Lee being scratched from his scheduled start over the weekend certainly was curious though, wasn’t it?

You think Clifton will be a Phillie come Thursday? I’m leaning ‘yes’.

>>Cliff Lee is on the market, but price is said to be enormous [CBS]

  1. r0tcod - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    I guess I understand the idea behind the “salary dump.” But in a case like this, it makes sense to get something other than “question-marks” in return. I don’t want to see Cliff or Chooch go, but if either does, it would be great to get some young greatness back.

  2. willh888 - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    so basically it’s a deal tailored for the Sox, Yanks and Dodgers only.

    Lets not see a repeat group of prospects from the last time they traded Lee.

  3. caliphornian - Jul 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    If greatness includes at least 2 of the following top 100 prospects under age 22 and they pay the money? I love Cliff Lee. I showed my son the clip of Lee’s son interviewing him from the ASG. I told him “That’s the kind of young man you want to be.” He’s awesome.

    But if some other team wants to overpay? Example: Cincy gets Cliff Lee for Billy Hamilton, Robert Stephenson, and they guarantee Lee’s money? I would have to think long and hard about it.

  4. asd - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    this is the approach to take. The phillies can afford to keep Lee, they dont need to ‘dump’ him, buf if a team wants to pry him away they are welcome to try. The phillies even though in a sell situation, have the leverage here, if they dont get the offer they want no need to move him.

    At the zero hour trade deadline, for teams like the Tigers and Orioles that have been waiting for decades for a world series title, I’d have to believe they’d get the itch to pull the trigger on a starting pitcher that could be the difference and pay a good amount for it.

  5. thekrisheim - Jul 29, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    buyer beware, lee’s past three post-season starts have been brutal. guy is a great personality, quality player, but dont get the fanbase’s obsession with him. he’s the “best” player on an average team and the guy’s value can only go down at this point, trade him now.

    • krazyceltic - Jul 29, 2013 at 4:05 PM

      The fanbase’s obsession with Cliff Lee comes from him being the team’s first major trade deadline acquisition in a while, arriving at the height of our euphoria over the forming of a potential dynasty (potential consecutive World Series) and elevation to Yankee/Red Sox territory as an elite big-market team, and culminated by Lee’s performance in the 2009 World Series game one. Then, to have our hearts broken when he was so suddenly traded away the following offseason for little return, to see him perform so well in Seattle and Texas, and then to miraculously have him back, our inclination is to hold him tight. That’s why the fanbase is obsessed, but that being said I am fine with trading him now (and Ruiz, Papelbon, etc… if we could find any takers who would give a reasonable return and take on the money) because I love this team long-term and want the rebuild to begin.

      • 2sentz - Jul 29, 2013 at 5:03 PM

        Outstanding comment. I’d add that the way Lee returned – publicly choosing Philly over NY and more cash – was something every Philly fan won’t soon forget. Just recalling the night that announcement was made will keep me cheering for him for the rest of his career.

  6. famdoc - Jul 29, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Cliff Lee is a great pitcher-bounced back from a bad year-I would hate to see him leave (and Chooch for that matter) but right now he deserves to be with a contender. As far as other players-the dumbest thing that Reuben did (well second dumbest) is sign so many people to long term deals. (First is actually taking the job as GM).

    Maybe a shake up in the managers office is needed (both the field manager and general manager).

  7. Enriko - Jul 29, 2013 at 9:31 PM

    It’s fine to say you want top prospects in return, but lets just hope that the front office’s definition of ‘top prospects’ jives with everyone else’s. We don’t want a repeat of the 2009 trade. No Phillipe Aumonts, no Tyson Gillies or JC Ramirez.


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