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Report: Phils talking to Toronto about Dom Brown for Jose Bautista swap

Nov 13, 2013, 12:40 AM EDT

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While the Phillies appear to be targeting midlevel free agents this offseason by most accounts, Ruben Amaro Jr. always has an ace up his sleeve. Or it might be the two of spades. There is most definitely a something up there though. Hopefully it’s a face card at least?

Turns out it might be one of the American League’s biggest right-handed bats. According to Howard Eskin of Fox 29 and 94WIP, the Phils’ general manager is “deep in serious talks” with the Toronto Blue Jays to acquire two-time home run champion Jose Bautista. And the asking price? Let’s start the bidding at Domonic Brown.

Yes, the same Domonic Brown who is 26 years old and coming off of his first All-Star appearance. Yes, the same Jose Bautista who just turned 33 and missed 114 games over the past two seasons due to injuries.

Bautista posted a .358 on-base percentage with 28 home runs and 73 runs batted in over 118 games in 2013. Not bad, but it was a far cry from an ’11 campaign when he was a .447 with 43 and 103—his last truly elite season (out of two).

Brown finished his breakout year with a .324 OBP, 27 HR and 83 RBI over 139 appearances. The numbers are buoyed by an insane two-month stretch during which he belted 18 home runs, drove in 46 runs and earned NL Player of the Month honors for May.

Eskin points out Bautista would give the Phillies’ lineup more lefty-righty balance. Then again, it would also increase the club’s average age to 47 unofficially. Bautista would likely take over for Dom in right field, although he’s also seen time at first and third base in recent years.

Bautista is under contract for two more years at $14 million a piece, with a team option for 2016. Brown doesn’t become arbitration eligible until next offseason, and the earliest he can become a free agent is in ’18.

At this moment in time, there’s no way of confirming the veracity of Eskin’s report, but should it eventually come to pass, this would be a blockbuster in every sense of the term. Then again, Blockbuster is in the process of closing all of their stores, so that’s not necessarily a good thing.

I’m not sure anybody is sold on Dom Brown as a perennial All Star, and it’s not hard to envision how adding Bautista’s bat between lefties Chase Utley and Ryan Howard would bolster the lineup. Then again, he’s yet another aging veteran that’s been hampered by injuries, so the move doesn’t exactly scream progress.

And the Phillies would have to send somebody else—presumably prospect(s)—to make the deal happen? Eh…

  1. oh my - Nov 13, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    just not Franco or Biddle…. please not Franco or Biddle…

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  2. Jason R. - Nov 13, 2013 at 12:53 AM

    *throws hands in air in defeat*

    You literally couldn’t be more stupid if you tried.

    I was really hoping this was a @FakeWIPCaller or Evster post…

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  3. Mark432 - Nov 13, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    People will be here or on WIP soon enough to defend this just like the Byrd deal. I swear some people just want to go against the crowd.

    #FireRube

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  4. Harry Hood - Nov 13, 2013 at 1:27 AM

    I would absolutely love this move. Dom Brown will be an All Star on many teams but Bats would be an All Star on any team. I agree Franco and Biddle are off limits. Maybe Ruf? It’s another 2yr deal for $14 a piece. Think about how much money there going to have after Lee, Rollins, Byrd, and Bats come off. Plus… TV contract will be kicking in at same time. Dom Brown will never be Joey Bats. And for the people saying he’s too injury prone, check Brown’s history. All good in the Hood

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  5. Matt S. - Nov 13, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    This is why we can’t have nice things.

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  6. Mike - Nov 13, 2013 at 6:12 AM

    Injured 33 yr old players always get healthier with age, Rube has run the analytics on this. He’s great power hitter but what in the world does it gain you? Ruben is in a dream world thinking this team can recapture some magic. Just freaking nuts.

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  7. Eddie Gamble - Nov 13, 2013 at 7:05 AM

    I’m switching back to the Yankees.

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  8. mike - Nov 13, 2013 at 7:36 AM

    Upon hearing this rumor, Paul Holmgren immediately traded Steve Mason and Scott Laughton for Jarome Iginla.

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  9. willh888 - Nov 13, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    rube wants his modern day stonehenge. Everything is old and no one really gets it

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  10. r0tcod - Nov 13, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    Check out Beerleaguer’s defense of the Byrd move.
    ” He hit .291/.346/.445 from 2007-11 with full-season averages of 16 homers and 38 doubles.”

    This move has it’s positives for sure as well as its risks. I’m willing to risk it. Dom is still a gamble at this point himself.
    Who knows. I for one don’t tend to fly off the handle at any move. I just look forward to the next game and hope for a win.

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    • willh888 - Nov 13, 2013 at 8:54 AM

      2007-2011, Steroids
      2014, Old and no steroids.

      boooooooooooooo

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  11. Zack - Nov 13, 2013 at 8:53 AM

    Rube looks at how St. Loius keeps making it to the World Series and says to himself “they have it all backwards”

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  12. Scott B - Nov 13, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    This cannot be serious.

    A 26 year old who played 1 full season, and pretty good season at that for a 33 year old outfielder with wrist issues?

    Whatever happened to the days RAJ was scooping Lee for nothing and Hunter Pence for a bag of balls. On thats right, it wasnt RAJ making these deals happen, it was Pat Gillick.

    Fire RAJ

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    • ochospantalones - Nov 13, 2013 at 9:45 AM

      If you think they got Hunter Pence for a bag of balls, you should try googling Jarred Cosart, and then thinking about how many open spots we have in our rotation right now.

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      • Scott B - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:06 AM

        Oh nice, didnt realize. Did we trade him specifically or the draft pick with which Houston picked him at.

        Dude has some nasty stuff through 10 career games, looking forward to what a whole season will look like.

      • ochospantalones - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:41 AM

        We traded Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, Josh Zeid and Domingo Santana for Pence.

        Cosart has nasty stuff and had a 1.95 ERA in 10 starts as a rookie. He’s not anything like perfect yet, but I’d love to have him back. Singleton is a slugger who was considered a top 30 prospect in all of MLB prior to last season, though he had a bad year in AAA. He’s still only 22 though. Josh Zeid is a mediocre 26 year old relief pitcher, so no big loss there. Santana I don’t really know enough about. He put up some big numbers in A ball at 19, last year in AA his production dropped a bit but he still hit 25 home runs in 112 games. Not sure if he’s a future pro or not.

        Depending on how these guys develop, the Pence trade may end up being Amaro’s 2nd worst move, behind the Howard contract.

        On the upside, the guys we traded for Lee, Halladay, and Oswalt all suck, with one exception. Travis D’Arnaud, who we gave up in the Halladay deal, is a good young catcher but he’s struggled with injuries.

      • Scott B - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:55 AM

        And when we traded Pence to SF, we got Nate Schierholtz, Tommy Joseph and Seth Rosin currently in AA. Seems to be ok, 4 something ERA, 6-9 record but nit great.

        Is Josephstill penned to be our catcher of the future? I know he had a lot of injuries this past year but before that was struggling. Hopefully he can work out and then we at least get something for all the original people we gave away.

        Just wont ever understand why we got rid of Shane or Pence when we had no plan to replace them. Any team with a platoon of Nix, Mayberry and whoever else is not going to the playoffs.

  13. Beardy - Nov 13, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    Oh you can’t be serious

    RAJ has got to be one of the worst GMs ever to hold the position in baseball, and if he makes this move, he seals the deal. The team is too old as it is, and you’re looking to trade a young, up and coming franchise player that you can build around for a 33 year old in the latter part of his career? Are you serious? This is pure insanity, and a glaring example of the problems he’s had since he took the job.

    5 years. Thats how long he took us from World Series Champions with an extremely bright future due to an absolutely loaded farm system to an aging over the hill also ran team with no hope of competing and no hope of future success due to a dearth of talent in the farm. Other GMs have been fired for less than this in the past.

    I’m so perilously close to turning my back on this franchise its not even funny. I just can’t stand management gone this terribly awry with nobody stepping in to stop it.

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    • Tom - Nov 13, 2013 at 11:37 AM

      RAJ thinks he’s the GM for a senior softball league.

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    • acemma - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:32 PM

      Loaded farm system? With who? Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, Jason Knapp, Carlos Carrasco, Lou Marson, Freddy Galvis?? Their farm system is always overrated. Singleton and D’Arnuad will turn out to be flukes just like everyone else was. Chill out.

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  14. John Boehner - Nov 13, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Guys…

    Howard Eskin said this.

    Validity = 0

    Chill.

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    • BenE. - Nov 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM

      Great call

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  15. Marvin Monroe - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:12 AM

    The Phillies look to be the earlier favorite to send the most players to the 2007 All Star game.

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  16. Andr - Nov 13, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    Chill out everyone, theyre both not that great. Brown had basically a good month and half, look at his month-by-month stats and he was average for most of the season. Batista is a roided has-been who still has some power but not much else. Neither of these guys is a key piece on any sort of championship team. Amaro should be focusing on building up, not trading a quarter for a different quarter.

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