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The Phillies Are Averaging 5,871 Fewer Fans Per Home Game

Jul 2, 2013, 11:48 AM EDT

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Phillies beat writer Matt Gelb penned another article this morning about Ruben Amaro Jr. looking at the looming trade deadline and weighing his options. It’s the same players we’ve seen tossed about before: Lee, Papelbon, Utley, Rollins, etc.

There is an interesting quote from Ruben about not having to take money back for certain guys like Lee or Papelbon, but maybe having to do so in a shorter term rental such as a deal for Utley.

And in the middle of the article is this nugget which was probably readily available had any of us done some counting and math, but Gelb does the calculator work for us:

Amaro does not need to trade anyone. He said there is no mandate from ownership to shed payroll, even as the team has experienced an average decrease of 5,871 fans per game this season at Citizens Bank Park. When the Phillies’ TV contract expires at the end of 2015, they’ll be signing a new one that could bring $4 billion to $5 billion. They’ll need to maintain a shred of competitiveness to ensure its value.

5,871 fans per game seems like an awful lot doesn’t it?

As the article says, it’s not like the team is strapped for cash. More so it shows that interest and desire to shell out hard-earned cash to go watch this team is down significantly. Can’t blame ‘em.

>>Amaro weighs trade options with mediocre Phillies [Philly.com]

  1. willh888 - Jul 2, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    I feel like teams start to worry about fans when season tickets decrease rather than just total numbers. I highly doubt the Phils are concerned about bro’s in the upper RF deck where you can find the most blue these days. As long as they continue to sell their premium seats and lower bowl, they won’t flip any switches.

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  2. stilllearninggolf.wordpress.com - Jul 2, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    That’s a lot, but not at all horrible considering how the season has gone and last year’s .500 record.

    The team probably has last year’s huge late season surge and Dom Brown to thank for recent steady numbers, but I’m curious how low these numbers will go without another magical finish out of Charlie and the boys.

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  3. Nick - Jul 2, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Better than Washington drawing less than 25k for Harper’s return. I am a huge DC sports fan and I was embarrassed. Yes, attendance as a whole has been up to it’s highest point since baseball returned to the city but, I was shocked there wasn’t a larger turnout. Maybe it is because its the July 4th week, I don’t really know. I don’t think it was the weather because the mid-atlantic has had the same weather report for the past two weeks really. They have drawn 30k-35k in that stretch. Less than 25k for Harper’s return is pathetic however. I’m embarrassed.

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    • galasso2586 - Jul 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

      It’s not really surprising though. Washington will never be a baseball city. It went too long without having a team for people to really care yet. I love it since it makes my partial season ticket plan really cheap and I can get tickets to all the Phillies game that way.

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      • Nick - Jul 2, 2013 at 1:26 PM

        Still very surprising for that specific game though. The crowds this year have been a lot bigger. Consecutive years of competitiveness has brought attendance up past few years and will continue though. But it is surprising to be averaging 30k-35k even in days of inclement weather, and then your big star comes back after a month of being hurt, and the fan base lays this egg.

  4. Mike - Jul 2, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    I’d like to see them start moving forward now by looking at offers for Pap, Rollins, M. Young and Utley. I’d like to see Lee stay and rework the lineup through free agency. There’s no chance of Howard going anywhere with that ridiculous contract but he needs to be moved in the lineup. Also, stop plugging in journeymen players and just let young players play. I’m sick of seeing Delmon Young in the outfield. There’s no point in sending Galvis down instead of getting him more AB’s up here and bringing in John freaking McDonald. Rube has completely failed the last two offseasons, I hope that changes this upcoming one but I’m not hopeful that a mediocre to bad GM will somehow become a good one.
    We’re stuck with Ruben, which does not give me any sense of optimism, but I will likely re-up because I enjoy going to games there. I do spend less once I’m in the building than in the past. I don’t know how the mediocrity of the team affects ansulary spending, but I find I am less interested in paying $9 for a beer when I’m not as involved in the on field product.

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    • Von9 - Jul 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM

      I don’t know how this organization can write Delmon Young’s name on the lineup card every day and claim to be serious about developing talent, competing as a professional ballclub, or playing sound fundamental baseball. It’s like watching a pinball machine with him in the outfield.

      I’d rather watch a young player fail than this stiff play below average ball.

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  5. Hiccup - Jul 2, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    They should negotiate fat player contracts in contingency with average fan turnout divided by wins over losses times base made times runs scored irreversible of wins over losses above replacement of struggling farmhands minus proven freshman and take that number and add it to the result of season ticket holders plus package deals divide it by walk ins minus fans leaving after Howards third strike out with bases loaded before the seventh inning divided by home team walk off wins. This would be a level playing Feild from the pitchers mound forward.

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  6. Big Rube - Jul 2, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    5,000 (fans) X $50 (tix/food/drink per person) X 80 (homes games) = $20,000,000 loss

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    • BenE. - Jul 2, 2013 at 1:55 PM

      I like that you kept the math simple. A $20 million decrease in revenue is astounding enough. Now consider that you rounded down on each step…yikes.

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    • willh888 - Jul 2, 2013 at 2:04 PM

      If you raise prices accordingly you make back most of that. They’ll raise ticket prices quite a bit, especially for “premium games.” Concessions jump every year too. If they can get the remaining 39,000 to avg spending $5 more (probably a low estimate) per visit on tickets, food and drink you get

      39,000 fans x $5 per game x 80 = 15,600,000

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      • Fitz - Jul 2, 2013 at 9:51 PM

        . . . and if you waste $25,000,000 a year on Ryan Howard until 2017, thats a $100,000,000. Math is fun and depressing.


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